[PGT] Loss…Preds 4 - 2 Flames

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Andersson has been hot garbage for the past 90 games. Savard should be fired if he keeps putting him out there.

No over reaction there!

Calgary doesn't have a true offensive defenseman that is designed for the PP QB role.

Weegar bobbles pucks and doesn't get pucks to the net.
Hanifin has a muffin and telegraphs what he's doing.
Andersson over passes from the tip of the umbrella but has more of the skills needed than the other two.

I'd work with Andersson before firing people.

[spotthefan]

Originally Posted by SutterBrother

There's a long list of things the Flames need in order to rebuild, but perhaps first is a bonafide #1 defenceman. We've got good 2s+3s.

Adam Fox... wouldda, couldda, shouldda...

Reminds me of that old Elston cartoon with those words atop a picture of Gilmour, Hull, Selanne in Flames silks.

I apologize if this is sarcasm I misinterpreted, but Fox was never going to play for the Flames. They made the most of it.

I don't disagree with you otherwise. No Elite defence. BUt that is a symptom of the whole team. Solid players and if they were all able to go at the same time the team would be good. No game breakers.

The magic happens when you have a roster full of solid players, great role players at a cheap cost, and a game breaker or two.

[Flamesfan05]

Team is mediocre. No game breaker, no PP QB, no top dman, one playmaker that doesn’t have chemistry. Not enough weapons to trade for one of those

Only solution is to draft one or two or three. Sure, have fun competing at the same time but don’t expect much from this group.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Bingo

No over reaction there!

Calgary doesn't have a true offensive defenseman that is designed for the PP QB role.

Weegar bobbles pucks and doesn't get pucks to the net.
Hanifin has a muffin and telegraphs what he's doing.
Andersson over passes from the tip of the umbrella but has more of the skills needed than the other two.

I'd work with Andersson before firing people.

Yep. There's a lot more wrong with the PP than Rasmus Anderson. It's weird that people point to the Flames lone defender on the PP as a primary reason for its struggles. If it were purely a distribution issue, sure. But this team can hardly set up and start to use the system in place on many nights.

Most of the forwards are incapable of shooting quickly and accurately, gaining zone entry without dumping and chasing, or doing little things like tipping pucks and deceiving defenders. What you're left with is an outnumbering situation, relying solely on hard work to get the job done and that doesn't cut it.

How in each of the last 2 seasons nobody has addressed this necessary skill position on the team is perplexing. You need to have a forward capable of bringing the puck up the ice and more often than not gaining zone entry without relying on dumping or making quick passes at the blue line that are often prayers. I don't even know who's in the system that might be capable of this because I don't see it, but it needs to be addressed for things to change. Even if a guy like Poirier comes up and is great on the PP, you still need a forward that can essentially dangle and skate the puck in the zone as well.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Andersson has been hot garbage for the past 90 games. Savard should be fired if he keeps putting him out there.

Which D did a better job when Andersson missed 4 games? They tried both Hanifin and Weegar in that spot a couple of times this season. I think we might see a PP specialist on the 3rd pairing next year, but until then Andersson is the best option we have.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Bingo

No over reaction there!

Calgary doesn't have a true offensive defenseman that is designed for the PP QB role.

Weegar bobbles pucks and doesn't get pucks to the net.
Hanifin has a muffin and telegraphs what he's doing.
Andersson over passes from the tip of the umbrella but has more of the skills needed than the other two.

I'd work with Andersson before firing people.

How many more games are you going to give him to figure it out? another 100?

Like he has the shot but he can't fathom the idea of shooting the puck at the net. It's so inept.

Maybe we should try 5 forwards out there. But I think if they gave Zadorov a chance he would be better than Ramsus by a mile.

Actually we do have the answer. As soon as Pourier is healthy they need to call him up asap.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

Which D did a better job when Andersson missed 4 games? They tried both Hanifin and Weegar in that spot a couple of times this season. I think we might see a PP specialist on the 3rd pairing next year, but until then Andersson is the best option we have.

Nobody can carry the puck to enter the zone and set up plays

It’s hilarious watching them try yesterday

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Nobody can carry the puck to enter the zone and set up plays

It’s hilarious watching them try yesterday

This is the primary problem with the PP. We can argue about Andersson all we want, but their zone entries are beyond terrible. They went 3 full PPs last night where they were unable to enter the zone even once.

If you're the PP coach, and you're watching their ineptitude trying to enter the zone, and you can't improve upon what is currently going on, then just resign.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

How many more games are you going to give him to figure it out? another 100?

Like he has the shot but he can't fathom the idea of shooting the puck at the net. It's so inept.

Maybe we should try 5 forwards out there. But I think if they gave Zadorov a chance he would be better than Ramsus by a mile.

Actually we do have the answer. As soon as Pourier is healthy they need to call him up asap.

And Poirier, a rookie, is going to just step in a take the PP from 12% to league average? It's not just the point position on the PP that is responsible. There are serious skill and lack of options on Flames PP that just make it way too easy to defend from zone entry all the way up to when they occasionally do set up. Andersson is not shooting because there is no lane for him to shoot into thanks to the terribly slow and predictable pace the Flames skill players are able to move the puck.

One thing is for sure, Zadorov is certainly not going to stir the drink lol.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Nobody can carry the puck to enter the zone and set up plays

It’s hilarious watching them try yesterday

It was hard to watch. The predictable entries, the dump and chase and the puck handling really eats a lot of the PP time.

The PP is also way too static. The players were generating a lot more movement to start the year, but mostly reverted to standing still and watching the guy with the puck.

Kadri keeps whiffing on one timers.

Lindholm is never in position to use his shot.

Andersson is good at keeping the puck in the zone, but he doesn't walk the line or create any dangerous shots from the point.

Mangiapane/Lindholm don't create enough net front presence, so we don't get enough rebound or deflection attempts.

Huberdeau is trying to force passes because there are sticks in the lanes when everyone is standing still.

We keep losing face-offs and battles along the boards on the PP.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

And Poirier, a rookie, is going to just step in a take the PP from 12% to league average? It's not just the point position on the PP that is responsible. There are serious skill and lack of options on Flames PP that just make it way too easy to defend from zone entry all the way up to when they occasionally do set up. Andersson is not shooting because there is no lane for him to shoot into thanks to the terribly slow and predictable pace the Flames skill players are able to move the puck.

One thing is for sure, Zadorov is certainly not going to stir the drink lol.

So we do nothing and maintain the 12% average? lol

[sss1]

Happy when they win, happy when they lose. It is a strange feeling.

[sss1]

Sure Andersson can't QB, but the team can't even break in to the zone in the first place. There's so many missing pieces of the puzzle, why blame one of the most impactful players on the team?

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by sss1

Sure Andersson can't QB, but the team can't even break in to the zone in the first place. There's so many missing pieces of the puzzle, why blame one of the most impactful players on the team?

This is why I would take the Dweeb back in a heart beat. It was so easy for us to gain the zone and set up.

[Fan in Exile]

Nothing irritates me more on this board than all the hate Rasmus gets..."no offensive skill"..."hot garbage for 90 games"

Think back...way back to last frigging game. Who won it? Some of you deserve the misery you get out of the Flames struggling.

Treliving screwed up a lot but Rasmus is on one of the best contracts in the entire league.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

So we do nothing and maintain the 12% average? lol

The Flames are not a top end team, and rarely do mediocre to bad teams have quality PPs. It's a nature of the beast. You can hope to draft and develop more talent or you can make a trade (Hanifin, Lindholm) that nets you someone that can positively impact the PP in terms of puck possession, skill and zone entry.

This notion that there's another answer just being ignored in the Flames room or system is nonsense.

[chedder]

People might be overreacting but it is telling that the team and some fans think a 30 point per year defenceman should be our offensive saviour on the backend.

[The Yen Man]

Lol, I don't think taking our top point producing dman off the powerplay is going to improve it. Sounds kind of counter productive, no?

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Fan in Exile

Nothing irritates me more on this board than all the hate Rasmus gets..."no offensive skill"..."hot garbage for 90 games"

Think back...way back to last frigging game. Who won it? Some of you deserve the misery you get out of the Flames struggling.

Treliving screwed up a lot but Rasmus is on one of the best contracts in the entire league.

He's underpaid by about $4M for sure. He just isn't a top 10 - 15 D in the league, which is fine, but this fan base wants a player that will be one of the very top in his position. The lack of top end talent on this team is exactly what people get frustrated about. We don't have a go to guy when things get tough.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Like it or not, Andersson is by far the best option there out of all defencemen. For the people that want him off, who do you want instead? Hanifin is much worse. I thought Weegar was going to take that job, but he hasn't shown himself to being as good. Maybe if Kylington was playing and continued developing, but he is essentially gone. Tanev? Zadorov? Gilbert? Desimone?


I just find it a bit strange to read: "Get him off the PP", when he is by far the best option there. Don't get me wrong - I don't have him as bona fide PP quarterback, but he is by far the best that the Flames have. Until Morin or Poirier or someone else steps up, Andersson is the best bet.



The only other option is to run with 5 forwards on PP1, but I am not sure that's the best scenario either, especially when you have to factor PP2.