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Old 10-30-2023, 05:46 PM   #61
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Yes neck guards in hockey are very comparable to an uneven sidewalk.
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Yes neck guards in hockey are very comparable to an uneven sidewalk.
Sometimes you stumble in the sidewalk, sometimes you get your throat slashed and bleed to death. Oh the lessons life teaches us.
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Old 10-30-2023, 05:55 PM   #63
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https://x.com/davegreenidge57/status...WR4jawpYlYWUHA

This looks like he kicked him.
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Old 10-30-2023, 05:57 PM   #64
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Are they removing it from video feeds now? No links seem to be working anymore
Here is a video that shows the hit. It's not graphic, but still kind of distressing since we know the outcome.

Spoiler!


I can't say that I have ever seen a hit like that where the leg comes up that far. Obviously not on purpose, but pretty reckless.
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Old 10-30-2023, 06:08 PM   #65
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I’ve played and/or watched hockey for 45 years. I have never seen anything like that before. My guess is that his intent was to kick him or knee him in the chest but that he screwed up and hit his neck. I’m basing that on reading about his reputation. It definitely looked like he intentionally raised his leg. I think he knew he was going to miss his check. The leg up was the backup plan.

My guess would be that there would be no way to charge him with anything unless he admitted to it. Not sure how he’s going to live with that one though. I’d bet he doesn’t play again.

What a nightmare for everyone involved.

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Old 10-30-2023, 06:13 PM   #66
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I think he meant to kick the guy, by reputation this guy is pretty much a unhinged goon. He went to throw a kick for whatever reason, and it went high.


His actions lead to the death of a hockey player. They should tag him with manslaughter.
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Old 10-30-2023, 06:15 PM   #67
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He went to kick another player with his skate.

What did he expect to happen when you kick someone with a skate blade?
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Old 10-30-2023, 06:41 PM   #68
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In real life, he would have a choice of reckless manslaughter or 2nd degree murder
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Old 10-30-2023, 08:40 PM   #69
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I honestly can’t make sense of thinking that any part of the incident was intent to injure. I see Petgrave cutting to his left, takes a bump from an opponent and his left leg (where the majority of your weight would be placed) shoots up awkwardly and unexpectedly. The rest, well, is terrible. Petgraves reaction after the incident is also remorseful immediately.

This is just my opinion from someone who played hockey to a modest level, but I don’t see the intent. It’s not to say anyone else is wrong, but the play I saw combined with his reaction, yeah I don’t see it.
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I saw the clip and my immediate thought was "Wow he kicked him."

Do I think there was a thought of "I'm going to kick this guy in the neck."

No.

Is is pretty obvious from the video that he extends his leg in, to use a hockey term, a kicking motion?

Yes. It really is. There's no attempt to hold the leg in, withdraw it, it's like he's gonna jam it against the guy for support only... he's got a skate on.

I dunno. Won't be manslaughter or anything.... it's a tragedy and just an awful look for the sport and horrible for everyone involved.
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Old 10-30-2023, 09:29 PM   #71
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TBH, it looks like he kicks at him twice, but the quality is so low its hard to tell. I saw a better quality webm Saturday night but it seems have been scrubbed from the net.
The whole thing is bizarre, and the media has coordinated to call it a 'freak accident' and leave it at that.
Like others have said, I've never seen something like this. Its not uncommon for skates to come up, but usually its because the torso is going down due to loss of balance.
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Old 10-30-2023, 09:43 PM   #72
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I'm not making any comment towards the play in question, but this video definitely made my eyebrows raise.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1719031402446946793

Never seen a players skate "kick" in such a way from a hockey play before, ever. Let alone that type of play happening [at least] twice from the same player.

RIP Adam.
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Old 10-30-2023, 11:11 PM   #73
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I still think he knew he was missing his shoulder check and he stuck out his leg like in the OHL check to still make contact.

He screwed up big time by raising his leg too high. He will have to live with what happened for the rest of his life.

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I still think he knew he was missing his shoulder check and he stuck out his leg like in the OHL check to still make contact.

He screwed up big time by raising his leg so high. He will have to live with what happened for the rest of his life.
I can actually buy this. If this is the case, I think charges of some kind are still warranted. It's a reckless, irresponsible and dangerous way to try and complete a missed check.

I think the best analogy would be it would be, for 15 years, you've been making a legal U-turn at the same spot to cut down your commute and done so without incident. Then one day, in a moment of inattention you make the U-turn in the path of another motorist and they're killed in the collision. You are still responsible for your negligent action even if the U-turn is legal.

Kicking your leg in the air to try and impede or obstruct your opponents path is a reckless and irresponsible action when there is a knife attached to your foot. Even though you've done it in the past without incident, it doesn't absolve you when it goes wrong and you nearly decapitate someone.

That's my bro-lawyer take. And it's probably wrong.

This whole thing is just awful and sucks all around.
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Yeah I agree it's something matt cooke might do where he knows he's going to miss the check but still wants to get a piece of the guy. Intentional clipping has always been dangerous, but what happened here is absolutely insane
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Old 10-31-2023, 01:45 PM   #76
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Definitely have never seen someone lift their leg like that in any hockey game I've watched/played in. Absolutely intentional to try and make contact, though I doubt he meant to kill the guy. Still negligent / reckless and he should face discipline somehow.
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Old 10-31-2023, 01:59 PM   #77
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It looks to me like he knew he was going to miss the hit and intentionally and deliberately decided to stick out his leg as a way to interfere.
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Freak accident does not come to mind when seeing the video posted here.

Raising your leg up behind you like in the video-and the other video from his OHL days is extremely reckless-especially that it was done with intent to make contact with a player. I have never seen that playing or watching hockey before.

I hope there are charges of some sort laid-that can't be seen as just another day at the arena.
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Old 10-31-2023, 02:50 PM   #79
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Doesn't it appear that his left skateblade catches an edge right before it goes flying up?
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Old 10-31-2023, 03:05 PM   #80
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Catching an edge happens dozens of times a game and they never projectile launch a leg up to neck height. I'd love to give benefit of the doubt but he certainly doesn't have a strong track record.
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