10-09-2023, 02:43 PM
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#61
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Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts
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I think Lindholm is a good defensive zone player. I don't think he's great on zone exits or puck retrievals (nothing but eye test), and I think Chucky did a lot of that heavy lifting during Lindholm's 2nd place Selke finish.
Lindholm was definitely the 3rd player on his line that season.
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10-09-2023, 04:05 PM
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#62
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Originally Posted by gvitaly
Scheifele should be another good comparable to Lindholm
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Lindholm 2 years younger and more underpaid over the last 6 years. as well he should be the highest paid Flame. That makes it hard to keep it under 10.5
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10-09-2023, 04:50 PM
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#63
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by ricardodw
Lindholm 2 years younger and more underpaid over the last 6 years. as well he should be the highest paid Flame. That makes it hard to keep it under 10.5
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As far as I know the Flames are still stuck on their 8.2m offer.
Personally I think that's too high 
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10-09-2023, 05:02 PM
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#64
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I'm trying to figure out how Lindholm values himself over 9 million. I don't really see what he can point to. Every comparable center is in the mid 8s. He thinks he's Brayden Point?
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10-09-2023, 05:08 PM
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#65
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First Line Centre
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I'm still trying to figure out how they skipped over the 7s, and how they didn't immediately say "6 years max" before the negotiations.
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10-09-2023, 05:22 PM
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#66
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by ricardodw
Lindholm 2 years younger and more underpaid over the last 6 years. as well he should be the highest paid Flame. That makes it hard to keep it under 10.5
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I'd rather throw this money at a different player: Nylander, Guentzel, Stamkos(short term), Reinhart, Marchassault(short term).
Spend less on one of: Novak, Stephenson, Duchene, Arvidsson, Debrusk, Tarasenko, Monahan, Duclair.
Or keep the cap space and use it when a team is capped out and needs to move a good player(ex: Fiala, Bjorkstrand).
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10-09-2023, 05:29 PM
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#67
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I thought this was a necro-bump or something. I thought both of these guys were trade bait and now they're signed long-term? These contracts won't age well.
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10-09-2023, 05:30 PM
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#68
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Celebrated Square Root Day
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Originally Posted by Toonage
I'm enjoying the insiders like LeBrun hinting that they had an idea this was coming but no one said a single word about it over the past few weeks lol.
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It really feels like teams are getting better and better at staying tight lipped and a lot of actual leaks are just agents posturing with media.
Salary ranges can be guessed a lot easier now due to pretty distinct formulas based on points. So the new insider thing is to guess a range and then hedge a bet on when/whether it will be signed.
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10-09-2023, 05:30 PM
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#69
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Backup Goalie
Join Date: Jul 2019
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Funny how a good GM can convince stars who want to leave to stay. Big part of the job.
But Tre was not good enough in his job to convince his 2 most exciting players to stay.
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10-09-2023, 05:35 PM
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#70
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Airdrie, AB
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Does Lindholm drive the rest of his line? Was anyone putting him in the conversation of the captancy this offseason? Is he a gamebreaker or someone that puts the team on his back when the game is on the line?
Pretty tough to pay someone 9mill + when the answer to these questions is no.
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10-09-2023, 05:38 PM
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#71
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Celebrated Square Root Day
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Originally Posted by ricardodw
Lindholm 2 years younger and more underpaid over the last 6 years. as well he should be the highest paid Flame. That makes it hard to keep it under 10.5
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It's going to be hard to keep Lindholm's AAV $1.2mil over his agent's current ask? 
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10-09-2023, 05:40 PM
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#72
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2022
Location: California
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Originally Posted by Cobra
Funny how a good GM can convince stars who want to leave to stay. Big part of the job.
But Tre was not good enough in his job to convince his 2 most exciting players to stay.
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Wasn't he the one who gave Matthews the new extension? Not saying Matthews wanted to leave but some Leaf fans thought so.
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10-09-2023, 06:23 PM
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#73
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Originally Posted by butterfly
Wasn't he the one who gave Matthews the new extension? Not saying Matthews wanted to leave but some Leaf fans thought so.
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Hush, you. That’s not the same Treliving, obviously. The Treliving who was GM here was far too stupid ever to do anything right, and would never in a million years get another GM's job after the Flames deservedly fired him.
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10-09-2023, 07:04 PM
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#74
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Backup Goalie
Join Date: Jul 2019
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Originally Posted by Jay Random
Hush, you. That’s not the same Treliving, obviously. The Treliving who was GM here was far too stupid ever to do anything right, and would never in a million years get another GM's job after the Flames deservedly fired him.
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Don't go all twisted pretezel.
Just pointing out his brutal failure of not covincing #19 to stay.
Winnipeg made it happen...most teams do.
You cannot let this kind of player leave ever....pay him and make him your leader like Florida did.
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10-09-2023, 07:04 PM
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#75
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by Cobra
Funny how a good GM can convince stars who want to leave to stay. Big part of the job.
But Tre was not good enough in his job to convince his 2 most exciting players to stay.
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Funny how a guy who had no first hand knowledge of what he is talking about can pretend he knows who or what a good GM is. Big part of self awareness.
But the myopic thing to do is take the actions of another organization and pretend they are the same. Regardless of whether those actions are actually good, or not.
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10-09-2023, 07:22 PM
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#76
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by saillias
I'm trying to figure out how Lindholm values himself over 9 million. I don't really see what he can point to. Every comparable center is in the mid 8s. He thinks he's Brayden Point?
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He may simply feel he has the upper hand over Calgary and he wants what he wants. There us no law that says he needs to be reasonable in his comparisons.
Not saying this is the case, but I agree that Lindholm does not seem to be worth more than in the 8’s based on comparables.
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10-09-2023, 07:59 PM
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#77
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by Cobra
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Originally Posted by The Cobra
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Wait, there's two of you?! (Insert shocked Benning face)
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10-09-2023, 08:10 PM
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#78
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by Jetfire
Wait, there's two of you?! (Insert shocked Benning face)
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Cobra dropped the The, it's cooler
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10-09-2023, 08:25 PM
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#79
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Boca Raton, FL
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I'm waiting for this on his third iteration of his handle. Cobro
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10-09-2023, 08:49 PM
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#80
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Cobra
Don't go all twisted pretezel.
Just pointing out his brutal failure of not covincing #19 to stay.
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All he had to do was erase the border between Canada and the U.S., so Tkachuk wouldn't be on the wrong side of it in case it gets closed again. Oh, and speed up global warming so Tkachuk could come to work at the Saddledome in flip-flops. Oh, and change the Canadian tax structure. Oh, and put Calgary on an ocean so he could hang out at the beach. Oh, and…
You're right. It's just a brutal failure that Treliving was not able to accomplish these trivially easy things.
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Winnipeg made it happen...most teams do. You cannot let this kind of player leave ever....
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Ever heard of this thing called ‘free agency’? You can't MAKE a player stay for his whole career if he doesn't want to stay.
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pay him and make him your leader like Florida did.
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Tkachuk didn't want to be here. There were only a handful of teams he was willing to sign with long-term, as he very clearly stated. The Flames were not one of those teams.
If they had not traded him, they would have lost him by now as a UFA. Would you prefer that?
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