Fighting is stupid and barbaric and has no place in the modern game. Yeah, I got it, I also get excited when I see one, but really if we go by that standard are we going to start having referees in their underwear? I mean that might be interesting, having swimsuit models being referees, but that doesn't improve the product
I could care less if they remove fighting from today's game as it doesn't occur as spontaneous.
As an example, if players are taking liberties and a player like Iggy has had enough he deals with it himself. Today you have the designated fighter go out and fight the other designated fighter, neither of the original players are involved in solving the issue. Fighting in today's game doesn't solve or correct anything.
Fighting is stupid and barbaric and has no place in the modern game. Yeah, I got it, I also get excited when I see one, but really if we go by that standard are we going to start having referees in their underwear? I mean that might be interesting, having swimsuit models being referees, but that doesn't improve the product
Regardless of your stance on fighting, you have to admit this is an utterly terrible analogy lol but A for effort.
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I was at a Giants game when a pretty big fight broke out and it felt gross to watch teenagers hitting each other in the head when grown up cheered them in in the crowd. We shouldn’t advocate for kids fighting.
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Fighting is stupid and barbaric and has no place in the modern game. Yeah, I got it, I also get excited when I see one, but really if we go by that standard are we going to start having referees in their underwear? I mean that might be interesting, having swimsuit models being referees, but that doesn't improve the product
Fighting does improve the product.
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This isn't the question, really. It's whether the sport is better or worse if they don't fight at all. Because Jarome totally picked those fights and had a choice which he probably doesn't make if he risks an ejection in a PO game. I notice you didn't include his fight with Andreychuk where he accomplished nothing except for taking himself out of a final game for 5 minutes, where they were behind by a goal or two.
Without fighting, the 2004 Calgary Flames don’t make it out of the first round.
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For the NHL, start with stiffening the penalty for a staged fight and then see what happens to the overall number of fights and then determine whether a further curtailment is necessary.
However, part of me is sad that bitter rivals who HATE each other won't have shenanigans like this.
Background. Hunter Lahache was always the last off the ice after warmup.
Nick Greenough knew this, so wouldn't leave the ice until Lahache did. He wanted to spite him in his own barn.
Lahache refused to leave.
Greenough refused to leave.
Words exchanged.
Pandemonium ensued.
Undressed referees and linesmen came out to break it up.
History was made. All before puckdrop.
The last man to leave the ice superstition is dumb. Have a superstition that can't be thwarted by somebody else, IMO. Tap the posts, fire one of the crossbar before you leave, but when another player can throw you off your superstition so easily, dumb.
No, I’m saying that part of what made Jarome Iginla special was the way he imposed his will on the game/series, and he got better after he fought.
And that without certain inspiring moments, the team doesn’t believe in themselves to do what they did.
After he fought there were 10 seconds left in the game.
The next game they won 4-0 and Iginla scored the ENG. They won on a SHG by Yelle, a PPG by Unit 2, and an even strength goal by Donovan. But the reason they won the series is Kipper v Cloutier/Auld/Hedberg. Outside of game 1 Kipper was brilliant.
Move toward the university model in the NHL. Ban fighting with an ejection but no suspension except in extreme circumstances. I think it will build the game, not detract from it. It’s barbaric and should have no place in hockey. Football is violent but fighting is prohibited. However, officiating must be improved.
I know that some really have concerns over fighting and that is fair, but I have to agree with this comment, as long as it is a true fight, not just a staged BS thing.
I love a good spontaneous hockey fight between guys that both want to have a go.
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The last man to leave the ice superstition is dumb. Have a superstition that can't be thwarted by somebody else, IMO. Tap the posts, fire one of the crossbar before you leave, but when another player can throw you off your superstition so easily, dumb.
The first part: Literally every sport I've ever played.
The second part: Well that's just wrong.
The only argument anyone has given here is that somehow hockey is different.
No, it really isn't.
Lots of sports are fast.
Lots of sports have pests.
Lots of sports have a "Keep your head up" mentality, also known as "Protecting yourself"
Lots of sports have a "punish/hurt the other team mentality" (You honestly think NFL linebackers don't relish a chance to absolutely ear hole a QB? or that no one in a rugby game has ever cleared out a ruck harder than they need to?)
No other sports allow fighting like hockey does (Except lacrosse).
Other hockey leagues seem to do fine without fighting.
So what is the difference here?
Exactl, the NFL has gone to incredible lengths to protect quarterbacks from being ear holed and it’s basically banned. They are also protecting receivers who have their head down trying to catch a football. The long snapping Center can’t be hit. There are plenty of examples that the NFL has taken to protect the humans and the product they have from getting damaged. They seem successful still.
The NHL is the least successful major sport in the US basically, fighting isn’t helping it.
I went to a Swift Current Broncos game while I was there a couple years ago. Two fights happened. So weird sitting around a bunch of grown adults cheering on teenagers to bare knuckle box.
Honestly, most of them (even at NHL level) seem to happen after clean (but big and hurtful) hits. I think the NHL should be severely punishing people who jump players after strong clean hits. Like auto 3-games.
