[Trade] Erik Karlsson to Penguins

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Maybe if you got him for free without giving up any assets and his cap hit is under $5mil.

I guess i only watched him 6-7 times last year against the Flames and Oilers but he was the worst player on the ice.

Well Pitts actually saved cap hit for the next few seasons with the trade by dumping players they didn’t want

[dustygoon]

Sharks fans are over the moon happy. Most like the cap space. I don’t get these fans sometimes. Cap space is useful when spending to the cap and contending.

Hope Grier used lube on this trade. Also had to give up a 3rd and a past 2nd round prospect. Taking on granlund who has negative value? Wtf.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Well I don't know about the rest of the board but I think I would be more than ok with having a D man that might get caught on the odd offensive pinch but puts up 101 points.

what does it matter if you are 30 points away from the playoffs?
odd pinch lol...he got caught more than 101 times

Great move for the Pens when its a lottery pick?

IMO this is a dumb trade for the Penguins, this player doesn't contribute to winning

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

Yup I think this is a big win for Pittsburgh, a decent move for s.j and head scratching move for the habs

Hoffman+Pitlick

for

Petry+DeSmith+2nd

That's pretty great, especially when you consider Hoffman and Pitlick were simply UFA signings.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

Can't stop but laugh at the Oilers fans where they've saying they can get Karlsson with a third team involves in retaining salary. Now that Karlsson is traded to the Pens all it took was a first (conditioned) and a second with a third team involved AND the Pens actually saved cap space.

If only Edmonton had a player like Petry maybe they could've consummated a deal

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by bax

I actually disagree.

Crosby, Malkin, and Letang are all but guaranteed to retire as Pens. They won’t ever completely bottom out with those 3 on the roster. They are already locked into being an older team for the next three seasons.

They might as well go out and acquire the reigning Norris winner who likely won’t be all that expensive to get given his contract. Makes them better.

Everyone knows the terrible, lean years are coming. Makes no sense for them to stand pat and be a playoff bubble team. Young and cheap players won’t be available to help them in the next three seasons given their prospect pool

uh, this is exactly what they will be...

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

The 1.5 mill of retention actually makes Karlsson a lot more palatable imo

He isn't a perfect dman but he did get 100 points. Not sure why he isn't worth $10 mil per year.

Only concern with him is he seems to excel when he's the main guy on offence on bad teams and teams that lack high end offensive forwards. Can he click without the puck with guys like Sid, Malkin and Letang on the team. He wasn't great with Burns so it will be interesting to see how the PP manages Letang and Karlsson on it

[iggy_oi]

If nothing else the pens’ power play should be one of the best in the league this year.

[Flamesfan05]

With all due respect, a 100pt dman is worth something even at 10M
We have a 10M forward that scored 1/2 that .

[Sec214]

Given the age of the core, He just acquired the best Dman in that age group. Dubas is going for it as long as he's got Crosby and Geno and every single one of us would too if in his position.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

With all due respect, a 100pt dman is worth something even at 10M
We have a 10M forward that scored 1/2 that .

The issue is that old players signed long term in their 30’s are virtually untradeable. Once you make that commitment you are saying that those old guys can get it done for you because you are never moving them for value.

Sharks made the commitment and ended up moving Burns and Karlsson for pennies on the dollar. Flames have their core of Huberdeau, Kadri, Weegar (maybe Lindholm, maybe Backlund). Those guys have to work out for you because generally other teams do not want old expensive players, certainly won’t trade significant assets for them.

[rollie619]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

With all due respect, a 100pt dman is worth something even at 10M
We have a 10M forward that scored 1/2 that .

His defensive metrics were better than Karlsson's

[Pickle Juice]

Originally Posted by Sec214

Given the age of the core, He just acquired the best Dman in that age group. Dubas is going for it as long as he's got Crosby and Geno and every single one of us would too if in his position.

Can we interest them in a Backlund type trade?

[boogerz]

Originally Posted by Pickle Juice

Can we interest them in a Backlund type trade?

Highly doubtful. The Pens have zero cap space (-$0.08M), lack picks (only 1st rounder and one 2nd rounder in the next two drafts), have no bluechip or A-tier prospects, and are deepest in the same areas that the Flames are (defense and center). Their roster looks to be set for the season.



If I'm Treliving, I'd be knocking on Kekalainen's door every day for one of their forward or d-prospects. The BJ's prospect pool is so good, it's just not fair.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

With all due respect, a 100pt dman is worth something even at 10M
We have a 10M forward that scored 1/2 that .

lol this guy

comparing best years vs. worst

Karlsson has been over 82 points ONE time in his career and was -26 in that year

"100 point dman"

He got 100 points because his team played river hockey and would rather lose than win

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by boogerz

Highly doubtful. The Pens have zero cap space (-$0.08M), lack picks (only 1st rounder and one 2nd rounder in the next two drafts), have no bluechip or A-tier prospects, and are deepest in the same areas that the Flames are (defense and center). Their roster looks to be set for the season.



If I'm Treliving, I'd be knocking on Kekalainen's door every day for one of their forward or d-prospects. The BJ's prospect pool is so good, it's just not fair.

Treliving is managing the Leafs.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Sec214

Given the age of the core, He just acquired the best Dman in that age group. Dubas is going for it as long as he's got Crosby and Geno and every single one of us would too if in his position.

Going for 9th place?

I am willing to be anyone anything this fails miserably

[Locke]

Originally Posted by dino7c

lol this guy

comparing best years vs. worst

Karlsson has been over 82 points ONE time in his career and was -26 in that year

"100 point dman"

#### off

I think you're being a little pessimistic overall, but I do largely agree with you.

Karlsson scores a lot of points when he's playing on teams where the games dont matter.

Last season, the Sharks didnt care about winning, so let Karlsson off the leash.

But the Penguins are bringing him in to win with Crosby & Friends....is that going to translate?

Because I gotta say, I look at this trade and the make-up of the Penguins and it seems very 'Oilers' but Older.

Try and powerplay your way to a Cup?

[dino7c]

This is the Penguins team that couldn't beat the Hawks or Jackets to make the playoffs with 94 points
They weren't one offence only dman away

Looking at the east I bet its the more normal 96-100 to qualify this season

GL

[wittynickname]

As a Penguins fan I have been absolutely on cloud nine all day.


If Dubas had simply bought out Granlund and Petry and taken the hit on cap space I would've been happy. He managed to dump them off for minimal retained salary, plus dumping Desmith and Rutta, and gave up what will likely be a mid or low 1st round pick, a second round pick, no notable prospects and he got us one of the best offensive defensemen of the last decade or so.

I accepted in 2018 that this team was going to be a disaster when the Crosby era was over. The end of Rutherford's tenure and all of Hextall's time here made this team not even all that fun to watch because there was so much dead weight holding back our best players.

Dubas jettisoned a large chunk of that dead weight and man, we may give up 5 goals a game but it's going to at least be fun to watch. Pens top four went from

Dumoulin-Letang
Pettersson-Petry

to

Graves - Letang
Pettersson - Karlsson


I will take those swaps all day long, especially for what the Pens gave up.