[Rumour] Friedman: Flames may go after Duclair

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Saqe

Yeah it seems a tough deal to make from Calgary POV, the next first rounder Florida has is in 2026 I think the value of that is probably more like a late second rounder at this moment since it's so far down the road.

Luostarinen had a coming out party this year and is still under team control and cheap, that's why I don't think he would be available as an add. Also Zito mentioned he doesn't want to mess with the room much.

Yeah, but if you want Hanifin to solidify a defense that sorely needs a steadying presence, you'll have to give up some value. Duclair isn't that because he's 1 dimensional and came off a long injury. Lundell is probably not available, but Luostarinen is similar to him but not as valued long term.

I'm not really in favor of the deal for either team, but I'm just trying to propose something realistic.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by Matty81

Not a huge fan of this potential move. If he was locked up long term maybe, even though he's not great he would be a solid 3rd liner who could fill in on the 2nd line and be on the 2nd PP unit, but bring him in for a year on a rebuilding team and give him lots of ice only benefits the player and increases his value.

Shouldn't be spending assets on guys in this contract situation unless you are 100% sure they will extend here

I'm pretty sure Duclair would extend if he's offered a long term deal. He's been bounced around a lot and gone from one short term deal to another for a while now. I would bet he is looking for security first and foremost. Also I wouldn't call him a third liner, he's been a top six staple for the Panthers for a couple of years now.

I think he would be a good add just due to the Huberdeau connection. If there is a deal to be made that works for Calgary is another question.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Yeah, but if you want Hanifin to solidify a defense that sorely needs a steadying presence, you'll have to give up some value. Duclair isn't that because he's 1 dimensional and came off a long injury. Lundell is probably not available, but Luostarinen is similar to him but not as valued long term.

I'm not really in favor of the deal for either team, but I'm just trying to propose something realistic.

Yeah I don't see them as a good trading partner regarding Hanifin at least. Zadorov is another question, I think that could work.

[FusionX]

I can't remember which thread this was proposed and this may not be the exact proposal, but it was something to this effect:

Lindholm + Hanifin + Markstrom for Barkov + Bobrovsky

What if we make it almost a one-stop shop for everyone?

Lindholm + Hanifin + Markstrom + Toffoli for Barkov + Duclair + Bobrovsky

Why would FLA do this?
1. Downgrade Barkov to Lindholm BUT he'll be cheaper and has chemistry to Tkachuk
2. Upgrade D (not many L sided D on their current roster)
3. Upgrade R wing going to Toffoli (albeit a bit older)
4. Despite Bob's run, sheds a pretty ugly salary and gets potentially similar quality in Markstrom but 3.5mil less (same term remaining)
5. If I'm doing it right, end up gaining cap space with this deal to further bolster - they also keep futures/picks given they're so lean already and truthfully, only sacrifice Barkov (big loss of course)

Why would Flames do this?
1. True number 1 centre (this is the biggest reason really)
2. Gamble on having a retooled FLA 1st line with chemistry (Huby - Barkov - Duclair)
3. Offload those that don't want to be here

Next moves:
1. Trade Vladar - maybe recoup a 2nd somewhere? Shed cap
2. Bring up Wolf - 1A/1B with Bob
3. Trade Backlund (ideally, would keep if we're trading Lindholm but we'll see...)

Potential line-up next year:

Huberdeau - Barkov - Duclair/Coronato
Pelletier - Kadri - Dube
Mangiapane - Backlund - Coleman
Duehr/Zary/Ruzicka/Coronato/Duclair

Weegar - Andersson
Kylington - Tanev
Gilber - Zadorov - Stone

Bob
Wolf

Fairly NHL 23ish, I should see if they accept this trade lol but alas, at work

[trackercowe]

I don't think Duclair has any value, and I'm sure Florida would love to clear the books of him. I'm not saying he's terrible, but Ottawa let him walk, and if I'm not mistaken it took him months to find a home with Florida. Sure bring him in, but I'd say his value is that of a late round pick; especially coming off a season riddled with injuries.

If he's the main return in the Hanafin deal I'll have no faith immediately in Conroy.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Yeah, but if you want Hanifin to solidify a defense that sorely needs a steadying presence, you'll have to give up some value. Duclair isn't that because he's 1 dimensional and came off a long injury. Lundell is probably not available, but Luostarinen is similar to him but not as valued long term.

I'm not really in favor of the deal for either team, but I'm just trying to propose something realistic.

I think the only fit is if Florida has to dump a player because of cap and the Flames take a flyer on Duclair

[dammage79]

Yeah I don't really want to do anything with FLA.

Pittsburgh might go in on Hanifin, that makes sense to me. Their 1st for 50% retained Hani?

The caps might have something to say too. Backs For Mantha maybe?

[howard_the_duck]

Hard to get worked up when we are dealing with breadcrumbs of a larger picture.

But a deal centred around Hanifin and Duclair I want no part of.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Only if a high pick is coming back with Duclair.

Zito going back to the same well is funny. I think that guy is dull as bricks and just happened to strike gold with Tkachuk.

That trade will balance out more next season if huby and weegar are in form.

[868904]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

If I'm the Flames I ask for Duclair and Luostarinen for Hanifin. Florida doesn't have a lot of picks to offer, but Luostarinen is sneaky good defensively and is just coming into his own and just had a season of 0.5 PPG. Would instantly replace Backlund's spot on the roster but is 10 years younger (24). Duclair adds the speed and skill element necessary to supplement Huberdeau's skillset. Duclair is still only 27

Both are current roster players, but 27 and under. It would be nice to be competitive with this move, and get futures for the other guys.

No.

It's Lundell and Duclair for Hanifin or no deal. Flames can add a B prospect.

Panthers don't need Lundell, they have Barkov and Bennett and Verhaghe can play there too. Don't be greedy.

Lundell should have been the return for Tkachuk.

No more giving in to what the Panthers want.

[chedder]

What is Duclair? Looks like a 30-40 point, 15 goal scorer that had one outlier season when Huberdeau peaked. We already have that player in Mangiapane.

[Toonage]

"Flames need speed"

Sure, why not go with the guy getting over achilles surgery.

That said, if they do deal it better be Zadorov. Panthers have no picks. Hanifin will net you a 1st this year

[Jiggy_12]

Oh come on. this is purgatory

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by 868904

No.

It's Lundell and Duclair for Hanifin or no deal. Flames can add a B prospect.

Panthers don't need Lundell, they have Barkov and Bennett and Verhaghe can play there too. Don't be greedy.

Lundell should have been the return for Tkachuk.

No more giving in to what the Panthers want.

If the Panthers want Hanafin then the conversation should start with Lundell or there's really no point in engaging any further given the Panthers lack of 1st round picks in the upcoming seasons.

[rhino]

Hanifin, Zadorov for Ryan McAllister and Duclair and Montour

[TOfan]

Have to wonder if during conversations between Conroy and Huberdeau if Huberdeau said ‘if there’s a way to get him, you should’. Not to say Conroy should go out and do that, but he should look at it. If it’s Zadorov for Duclair, yeah, maybe.

Hanifin is in a different stratosphere. Without any first round picks for the foreseeable future, conversation starts at Lundell, or equivalent.

[Hockey_Ninja]

Ok I listened to the podcast. Marek pretty much just threw out Hanifin and Zadorov’s names. Friedman didn’t even confirm that either of those two would be in a hypothetical Duclair trade. It was just pure speculation from Marek’s part. I think we can calm down

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Toonage

"Flames need speed"

Sure, why not go with the guy getting over achilles surgery.

That said, if they do deal it better be Zadorov. Panthers have no picks. Hanifin will net you a 1st this year

I get the hesitation, but when he came back his speed was just fine. The rest of his game wasn't that great, but with a good off-season of training he'll be fine.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by rhino

Hanifin, Zadorov for Ryan McAllister and Duclair and Montour

Haha...after the season Montour just had he isn't going anywhere.

[868904]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

I get the hesitation, but when he came back his speed was just fine. The rest of his game wasn't that great, but with a good off-season of training he'll be fine.

He's just not a core piece. Neither is Luostarinen.

You don't trade a core piece for guys who don't have the potential to be a core piece, that's not good asset management.

Duclair is a throw in for any deal involving Hanifin.

Duclair was bouncing around the league before finding a home on Huberdeau's line. Flames should not be giving anything of value for him. I'd rather give Phillips a one way contract and force Huska to play him on Huberdeau's RW for 40 games.