[Rumour] Chris Johnston: Lindholm is interested in staying

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

If you're gonna pay big money for a guy, it may as well be a high end two way center.

When he's 23, absolutely. When he enters that contract at 29.5 and you're already committed to several 6+ million players entering their twilgiht and have a gaping hellmaw at the 20-25 year old age range, maybe not so much?

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

If you're gonna pay big money for a guy, it may as well be a high end two way center.

Exactly. I don’t necessarily love the age and term and dollars, but if you’re gonna do it for anyone, do it for the Selke candidate #1C.

Whatever you do, don’t do it for the “career top six winger” - that never works.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I don't know what you are hearing but that is not the impression I have been given.

Gaudreau V.2?

[Jacks]

"Lindholm is interested in staying"
Really all this means is that he isn't demanding a trade, what else is he supposed to say?

If Lindholm isn't interested in signing a reasonable contract then trade him. The Flames have some leverage here, he may not get the extension he wants with his new team and if he goes to UFA he is gambling on having a good year. Look at what happened to Klingberg.

Please, not another Huberdeau abomination contract that is a max term overpay full of signing bonuses that makes it buyout proof.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

When he's 23, absolutely. When he enters that contract at 29.5 and you're already committed to several 6+ million players entering their twilgiht and have a gaping hellmaw at the 20-25 year old age range, maybe not so much?

Don’t keep him at all costs, but if he’d come back for 8x$8-$8.75M… Huberdeau-Lindholm-X is a solid foundation for a top line.

Hanifin should get you back more than what Provorov did - so at minimum, 1st, two 2nds + cap dump.

Two things need to happen - they need their 1st rounders to hit. They have to be Barzal and Chabot-level impact players - not Bennett, not Monahan, not Valimaki.

They have to be studs.

The second thing that needs to happen is for Wolf to be legit. If we have a reliable .915-920 goalie for 41 games and Markstrom is just his career average .909, this is a playoff team.

Probably not much more than a 2nd round team - but that’s just next year.

Keep Lindholm, add two first-rate talents in the draft, don’t ruin Wolf, and they could be a problem for a lot of teams sooner than later.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

When he's 23, absolutely. When he enters that contract at 29.5 and you're already committed to several 6+ million players entering their twilgiht and have a gaping hellmaw at the 20-25 year old age range, maybe not so much?

You know if the Flames do extend Lindholm they’re not condemned to whatever fate it is you believe to be true.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Tkachuk and Johnny both got around 3 million in raises.

Lindholm can get 7 @ 8 years or 8 @ 6 years.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Tkachuk and Johnny both got around 3 million in raises.

Lindholm can get 7 @ 8 years or 8 @ 6 years.

Whether it’s the Flames or another team, I bet he gets Horvat’s contract or something very close to it.

If I’m the Flames, I would do that. I don’t think the options you lay out get it done.

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Don’t keep him at all costs, but if he’d come back for 8x$8-$8.75M… Huberdeau-Lindholm-X is a solid foundation for a top line.1n later.

I just don't think that's wise to do, in light of the contracts already given out in Treliving's hubris. In three years this team is looking at a 33 year old Huberdeau, 35 year old Kadri, 32 year old Weegar, 34 year old Coleman, and 36 year old Markstrom for a combined $35 million, on top of whatever Lindholm is asking. Let's say, generously, that's a $43 million commitment to a core with an average age of 33.5, which is virtually untradeable for the duration of that time.

It's an incredible, and frankly unreasonable, risk to take for a core that has shown they're not even good enough to make the playoffs before they even start to decline.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

I just don't think that's wise to do, in light of the contracts already given out in Treliving's hubris. In three years this team is looking at a 33 year old Huberdeau, 35 year old Kadri, 32 year old Weegar, 34 year old Coleman, and 36 year old Markstrom for a combined $35 million, on top of whatever Lindholm is asking. Let's say, generously, that's a $43 million commitment to a core with an average age of 33.5, which is virtually untradeable for the duration of that time.

It's an incredible, and frankly unreasonable, risk to take for a core that has shown they're not even good enough to make the playoffs before they even start to decline.

You’re assuming all those players would still be here in three years. I think that’s unlikely.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Don’t keep him at all costs, but if he’d come back for 8x$8-$8.75M… Huberdeau-Lindholm-X is a solid foundation for a top line.

Hanifin should get you back more than what Provorov did - so at minimum, 1st, two 2nds + cap dump.

Two things need to happen - they need their 1st rounders to hit. They have to be Barzal and Chabot-level impact players - not Bennett, not Monahan, not Valimaki.

They have to be studs.

Monahan was absolutely a stud. Get his name out of that trio.

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by TOfan

You’re assuming all those players would still be here in three years. I think that’s unlikely.

Who on earth is trading for those contracts at any point without the Flames bleeding more premium draft capital? That's exactly the kind of mistake that cemented Treliving's legacy here as a bungler of asset management. Stop it now before it gets worse. This core is going nowhere regardless.

[YourMother]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Two things need to happen - they need their 1st rounders to hit. They have to be Barzal and Chabot-level impact players - not Bennett, not Monahan, not Valimaki.

They have to be studs.

The second thing that needs to happen is for Wolf to be legit. If we have a reliable .915-920 goalie for 41 games and Markstrom is just his career average .909, this is a playoff team.

Sounds like another 15 middling years.

[powderjunkie]

Quality C's are the scarcest commodity in the league. It makes sense for all sides to lock him up. Trade value won't be much different in a few years if either side changes their mind (and the timeline of those assets will probably be better for the next rebuild).

The Kadri and Huby contracts should have absolutely no bearing on this decision.

Hanifin is also difficult to replace, but it's a lot easier to patchwork a D-core than the 1C slot.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

I just don't think that's wise to do, in light of the contracts already given out in Treliving's hubris. In three years this team is looking at a 33 year old Huberdeau, 35 year old Kadri, 32 year old Weegar, 34 year old Coleman, and 36 year old Markstrom for a combined $35 million, on top of whatever Lindholm is asking. Let's say, generously, that's a $43 million commitment to a core with an average age of 33.5, which is virtually untradeable for the duration of that time.

It's an incredible, and frankly unreasonable, risk to take for a core that has shown they're not even good enough to make the playoffs before they even start to decline.

In that list you have a top 3 scorer, two recent former cup winners, a defenseman who is an advanced stat darling and all around good player, a Vezina nominated goaltender, and a Selke nominated center.

I know the common theme around here is doom and gloom, but to me, there is the foundation of a really, really good team here. You need to supplement those guys with some other quality players and some youthful speed and skill, but there is no reason to believe that, even at those ages, the team couldn't still go on an impressive run. Look at the roster that just won the cup. Most of those guys aren't that young.

I think this team needed new leadership in the worst way. I honestly believe there's plenty of talent here that was played into a hole by Sutter. You watch, the rebounds will happen, and this team will easily make the playoffs next year and surprise a lot of people.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

Who on earth is trading for those contracts at any point without the Flames bleeding more premium draft capital? That's exactly the kind of mistake that cemented Treliving's legacy here as a bungler of asset management. Stop it now before it gets worse. This core is going nowhere regardless.

Well, first thing in three years Markstrom will be gone. Coleman would have one year left.

Seems to me we hear all the time about unmovable contracts yet they somehow get moved. It’s not even that uncommon.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.

Monahan was absolutely a stud. Get his name out of that trio.

If not for injuries Monahan is better than Barzal any day. NYI fans are pretty disappointed in Barzal these days. This year was better for him minus injury but he was pretty mediocre last season.

[automaton 3]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

If not for injuries Monahan is better than Barzal any day. NYI fans are pretty disappointed in Barzal these days. This year was better for him minus injury but he was pretty mediocre last season.

OT but I wonder where Monahan's health and desire to keep playing are at.

A healthier Monahan (yes a big asterix) on a bonus-heavy contract could be dynamite with Huberdeau. Yes probably wishful thinking.

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

In that list you have a former top 3 scorer, two former recent cup winners, a defenseman who is a former advanced stat darling and all around good player, a former Vezina nominated goaltender, and a former Selke nominated center.

Before they hit the ages at which those players are no longer capable of such feats, barring truly exceptional cases like Niedermayer, Datsyuk, Hasek, or Selanne - and none of which came close this season.

I would really hope that the Flames' management would have more of a handle on conflating current/past success and future expectations than random fans when it comes to players in their mid/late 30s. The Flames are at their fill for retirement contracts, and honestly should be shedding one or two, not adding to the pile.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by automaton 3

OT but I wonder where Monahan's health and desire to keep playing are at.

A healthier Monahan (yes a big asterix) on a bonus-heavy contract could be dynamite with Huberdeau. Yes probably wishful thinking.

Monahan doesn’t qualify for a bonus unless you mean signing bonus. But I’d take a chance and not be shy about LTIR if it’s necessary.

Most of Treliving’s moves last couple years made sense in some fashion. But moving Monahan with a first to get cap room (for Kadri(!)) when he could have just been more aggressive with LTIR made no sense to me.