[Rumour] LeBrun: All signs point to Hanifin not wanting to extend with Flames

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

If we move Hanifin, we need a future top line c or d coming back. Teams with a future top pairing d are unlikely to unload one for hanifin. So we have to target a team that is d poor and C heavy.

LA stands out. They are deep at C both currently and in the pipeline. I look at a prospect like Alex Turcotte and basis draft position/pedigree, has potential to be a 1C. They are light on D and could be a good trading partner. Wouldn’t trade Hanifin for a winger, need to nail any trade and get our future top line C in the Hanifin deal.

Interesting. Valardi’s name is also popping up in some other speculation type articles. Murat Artes (covers the Jets for the Athletic) suggested a deal around PLD and Valardi the other day.

Then again, they look to need help on the right side more than the left.

[dino7c]

Hanifin is way better than some think...this reminds me of Jaybo so much

By all means if you can make a good deal do it, especially if he wants too much or won't sign but to suggest we are lucky to get rid of him is beyond stupid

I would want a very good youngish forward...not picks or prospects that might amount to nothing

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

If we move Hanifin, we need a future top line c or d coming back. Teams with a future top pairing d are unlikely to unload one for hanifin. So we have to target a team that is d poor and C heavy.

LA stands out. They are deep at C both currently and in the pipeline. I look at a prospect like Alex Turcotte and basis draft position/pedigree, has potential to be a 1C. They are light on D and could be a good trading partner. Wouldn’t trade Hanifin for a winger, need to nail any trade and get our future top line C in the Hanifin deal.

I don’t see the upside with Turcotte, thought he was drafted way too high. Doesn’t have elite offensive skills and is a bit undersized. His absolute ceiling would be 2nd line center, likely a 3rd liner though. We need to try to bring in more skill to this group, don’t think Turcotte achieves that.

[Sofa GM]

What about the Dallas stars, Hanifin would round out their top 4. What about this,

From Calgary: Hanifin
From Dallas: Wyatt Johnson, Ryan Suter

Suter helps fill a gap for a year and likely retires or gets bought out. Johnson is someone to build around.

[Sylvanfan]

Teams should be able to carry 3 defenceman with heavier contracts and than fill out the other spots with lower cost ones. So Weegar at 6.25 is not something I'd refer to as a handcuff. Zadorov and Tanev for 8.25 will be off the books at the time of the Hanifan/Kylington extension. Plus Ras for one more year after that. Ras and Weegar are two of the three. But can Kylington become a third guy to allow you to move on from Hanifan?

I mean it's not like this cap jump in 2024 only happens for 31 teams and the Flames still have a flat cap. So I think the Flames could pay Hanifin if they wanted to. But his value is tough to appraise as he is an all situation guy who can cover a lot of minutes. He may not be elite at any one thing. But he would leave a lot of holes to fill if you didn't have him. But if he's earning a salary over 7 per year he can't be putting up 33 points.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

What about the Dallas stars, Hanifin would round out their top 4. What about this,

From Calgary: Hanifin
From Dallas: Wyatt Johnson, Ryan Suter

Suter helps fill a gap for a year and likely retires or gets bought out. Johnson is someone to build around.

Stay away from Suter, he's a class A jerk. He'd sulk to no end in a place like Calgary.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

Stay away from Suter, he's a class A jerk. He'd sulk to no end in a place like Calgary.

Or just buy him out. The point was don’t think Hanifin gets you Johnson alone, they need out of Suter so that would help even it out

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Hanifin is way better than some think...this reminds me of Jaybo so much

By all means if you can make a good deal do it, especially if he wants too much or won't sign but to suggest we are lucky to get rid of him is beyond stupid

I would want a very good youngish forward...not picks or prospects that might amount to nothing

There is also a chance the picks and prospects are better than the player you get in this deal and they will be much more cap friendly for a few years

If Kylington is good to go. He subs in for Hanifin and really now you don’t need to trade anyone else. Cap issues will be resolved

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

What about the Dallas stars, Hanifin would round out their top 4. What about this,

From Calgary: Hanifin
From Dallas: Wyatt Johnson, Ryan Suter

Suter helps fill a gap for a year and likely retires or gets bought out. Johnson is someone to build around.

In a cap world, a 19 year old who’s already shown he can produce on an ELC, is worth far more than Hanifin about to head into a UFA payday.

[Kipper_3434]

I hope he gets traded. Haven't been a fan of his game, especially at the opposing team's blue line, since his first 2 seasons. For those asking who replaces him....it's Weegar.

[Finger Cookin]

What we had in Kylington was a wild card before he missed an entire year of pro hockey.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

In a cap world, a 19 year old who’s already shown he can produce on an ELC, is worth far more than Hanifin about to head into a UFA payday.

I agree with you no doubt, the Stars have a ton of good forward prospects coming up though. Maybe we need to add a decent pick, don’t know. It would be nice to land a proven prospect than to continually chase magic beans

[Major Major]

Assuming the flames are trying to stay a bit competitive, they need another LD to replace Hanifin. I like the Lindholm to COL deals that have included Girard but they may be forced to go ufa. A year ago, Philly had to pay to move ghost, but he had a pretty decent year. Does he fetch a reasonable price?

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

In a cap world, a 19 year old who’s already shown he can produce on an ELC, is worth far more than Hanifin about to head into a UFA payday.

That’s a low percentage play though.

If you’re trading Hanifin for picks, it’s pretty unlikely those picks turn out to be better than Hanifin is, was, or will be for the foreseeable future.

It’s fine to acquire picks but if that’s the way they go, the Flames shouldn’t, nor should the fans, expect those picks to be better than Hanifin. If a pick turns out to be better than Hanifin, that should be considered a home run. Not impossible but unlikely. Especially if you not getting a top 10 pick.

[Strange Brew]

Picks and prospects are currency like anything else. No way would I rule out a deal for futures if the price is right. Not only do you get the return from the trade, you get some cap flexibility.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

I agree with you no doubt, the Stars have a ton of good forward prospects coming up though. Maybe we need to add a decent pick, don’t know. It would be nice to land a proven prospect than to continually chase magic beans

Teams won't trade a proven young player or one that looks this promising this early.

Fans live in this unrealistic fantasy world where you have to win every deal. That's never going to happen. But teams who exhibit consistent behaviors to get those magic beans and focus on getting value out of them should come out ahead. Problem is that the Flames have not been consistent in this approach. Cliff Fletcher used to move out older vets for picks for years and often turned it into another good player. But that's getting to be 32 years ago now.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

What about the Dallas stars, Hanifin would round out their top 4. What about this,

From Calgary: Hanifin
From Dallas: Wyatt Johnson, Ryan Suter

Suter helps fill a gap for a year and likely retires or gets bought out. Johnson is someone to build around.

Everyone is trashing Suter, which I get, but Wyatt Johnston is stinkin' good.
Insane OHL stats and an excellent rookie year.

Would be very tempting, and I doubt Dallas wants to trade someone like him.

[BigFlameDog]

Hanifin is criminally underrated by some on this board....but yeah, if he doesn't want to be here, get what you can.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Picks and prospects are currency like anything else. No way would I rule out a deal for futures if the price is right. Not only do you get the return from the trade, you get some cap flexibility.

And it’s not an automatic that we trade for a player who played well for his previous team and they come here and aren’t as good as expected. It’s like people suggest there is 0 risk trading for a proven player

Tanguay
Jokinen
Huberdeau

3 examples of players we traded for and they under performed. We are talking ppg 90 point guys too. Huberdeau likely bounces back but lots though Tkachuk would be worse considering the previous years linemates

We also likely get an RFA if we go for a young more proven player. If we sign that guy based on previous teams production and that player slips. Now we have an over paid depth player who is close to UFA status and has little trace value

If we can get a top 14 pick in this draft plus a prospec, it’s probably the best way to go with our cap.

[shutout]

If you are unable to extend Lindholm and a trade to the Avalanche for Newhook and Girard were to happen that brings in a defensemen that allows you to move out Hanifin if he does not want to stay, or if the deal in a trade is too good to pass up.

Allows you to explore a deal like the Nylander scenario if he will resign long term.