[News] 2023 Hart Top 3: McDavid, Pastrnak, Tkachuk

[memphusk]

And I'm not talking about Calgary. Calgary is terrible right now.

[Spurs]

There are so many legitimate things to criticize the Oilers and Edmonton for, the silly McDavid hate and flat out lies about him are always very cringeworthy. I don't think people have to cheer him on and pump him up but no need to make stuff up about him either.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Not a popular opinion i realize, but McDavid should win this thing in a unanimous vote.

The highest point total in almost 30 years alone is enough, but to do it with a very average supporting cast past Draisaitl and a couple others, makes it a stone cold lock. McDavid scored more goals than Pastrnak as well.

Tkachuk finishes 2nd IMO. Rightfully so.

So...soooo many points on the PP. Plus/minus are in the same range, but McDavid is 3rd among the 3. Tkachuk on a relatively porous defensive team having a great +/- is pretty miraculous. Tkachuk was +29 and the next closest player was +19, whereas McDavid was 3rd on his team behind Ekholm and Nurse despite having so many points. Pastrnak was also 5th on his team in +/- despite his gaudy +34.

Even strength points by player:

Pastrnak: 76
McDavid: 75
Tkachuk: 72

Then you have to compare how far and above each player's point total was to the next closest player:

Pastrnak: 113 --> Marchand: 67
Tkachuk: 109 --> Barkov: 78
McDavid: 153 --> Draisaitl: 128 --> Nugent-Hopkins: 104

That's why this is a contest still and quite frankly, much closer than you think.

[Steve Bozek]

Originally Posted by memphusk

All the points and still couldn't win the division. …..
(Clip)…...

It’s not a team award. That’s the argument that cheated Iginla out of the Hart.

[midniteowl]

I want pasta

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

Show your work.
Provide evidence he wouldn't take more than 5 years and wanting to be a UFA all along.

I never claimed that was the report, just my belief. I just base my belief on things he said, on how his dad dealt with contracts, how he held out, and finally on what he eventually demanded, which was a ticket to UFA at the earliest possible time.

I mean, res ipsa loquiter.

At the end of the day, he became the highest paid Flame and set for an even bigger payday in the final year. What were the demands for a “6,7,8 year deal” that he would have signed? Obviously more than what he was given. The hindsight stuff is kind of crazy. Go look back and tell me the highest salary anyone advocated for a long term deal.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

So...soooo many points on the PP. Plus/minus are in the same range, but McDavid is 3rd among the 3. Tkachuk on a relatively porous defensive team having a great +/- is pretty miraculous. Tkachuk was +29 and the next closest player was +19, whereas McDavid was 3rd on his team behind Ekholm and Nurse despite having so many points. Pastrnak was also 5th on his team in +/- despite his gaudy +34.

Even strength points by player:

Pastrnak: 76
McDavid: 75
Tkachuk: 72

Then you have to compare how far and above each player's point total was to the next closest player:

Pastrnak: 113 --> Marchand: 67
Tkachuk: 109 --> Barkov: 78
McDavid: 153 --> Draisaitl: 128 --> Nugent-Hopkins: 104

That's why this is a contest still and quite frankly, much closer than you think.

The PHWA decides this award, and they don't play the whatabout game when it comes down to it. It was unanimous a couple years ago when he won and this season was even better.

You can create all the arguments you like and spin whatever stats to do so....its fun and happens all the time among fandom. That group doesnt.

This thing is going to very much be a landslide just based on past history and those who do the voting.

Oh, and getting points on the power play is actually considered a strength, not something to be used against a player.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by transplant99

The PHWA decides this award, and they don't play the whatabout game when it comes down to it. It was unanimous a couple years ago when he won and this season was even better.

You can create all the arguments you like and spin whatever stats to do so....its fun and happens all the time among fandom. That group doesnt.

This thing is going to very much be a landslide just based on past history and those who do the voting.

It’s funny - both players and media focus on offence - you’d think the players would know better, but they routinely talk about McDavid in the same terms as the press. To a degree, points = salary to them so that’s what they notice.

[Locke]

Maybe we're better off with Treliving gone.

[Paulie Walnuts]

153 points is a lot and that's what voters vote on pretty much every time or whoever the media starts the hype train around.

[blender]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

“All stories” = Ruzicka’s way after the fact story, and he wasn’t even around then.

There’s nothing else other than imagination. I don’t think Chucky takes more than a 5 year deal then. He got 4. He was itching for UFA all along.

You really need to show your work on your rumours. Everything seems to circle on CP. Theory becomes rumour becomes “reports”. There’s zero evidence of Tkachuk wanting a long term deal back then, and even less that they were even close.

This is a real thing around here

[Badgers Nose]

I was at the game yesterday and was pro Knights until the season ticket holder next to me said, “good, one last canadian team left to eliminate and then all those ####ers are out.’

I was hoping McJesus would score 10 and send them home crying. Not going to lie.

I’d rather Oilers lose in game 7 of the finals on a goofy #19 Michigan play in OT. Taht would be GREAT!

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

I was at the game yesterday and was pro Knights until the season ticket holder next to me said, “good, one last canadian team left to eliminate and then all those ####ers are out.’

I was hoping McJesus would score 10 and send them home crying. Not going to lie.

I’d rather Oilers lose in game 7 of the finals on a goofy #19 Michigan play in OT. Taht would be GREAT!

I'm with the Vegas fan. Why would you ever want the Oilers to go to the finals, nevermind a Game 7 overtime? No way.

As for the thread topic, I agree with others that there's a good chance McDavid wins it by getting every first place vote. 153 points is pretty absurd.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

I'm with the Vegas fan. Why would you ever want the Oilers to go to the finals, nevermind a Game 7 overtime? No way.

As for the thread topic, I agree with others that there's a good chance McDavid wins it by getting every first place vote. 153 points is pretty absurd.

Because it hurts them more to get close and have it snatched away. I thought that was obvious.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Because it hurts them more to get close and have it snatched away. I thought that was obvious.

Nah, the sooner they lose the better. Don't give them the satisfaction of raising yet another banner in that arena.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Lol be serious...he dragged them to 92 points

You keep bringing up that "92 points" thing. Florida had a ton of injury problems in the first half of the year, not to mention having to adjust to losing Huberdeau and Weegar as well as a new coach.

Florida's regular season P%, cumulative from the start of each month
Oct: .561
Nov: .555
Dec: .576
Jan: .622
Feb: .633
Mar: .650
Apr: .750

Since February 1st, the Panthers had a .633 points %. That's better than what the Islanders, Hurricanes, Kraken, Jets and Lightning had since then. If we start from March 1st, they had .650 which is better than all those teams plus the Devils too (and not far behind Toronto).

Incidentally, Tkachuk put up 1.43 P/GP since Feb 1st and 1.50P/GP since Mar. 1st.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

You keep bringing up that "92 points" thing. Florida had a ton of injury problems in the first half of the year, not to mention having to adjust to losing Huberdeau and Weegar as well as a new coach.

Florida's regular season P%, cumulative from the start of each month
Oct: .561
Nov: .555
Dec: .576
Jan: .622
Feb: .633
Mar: .650
Apr: .750

Since February 1st, the Panthers had a .633 points %. That's better than what the Islanders, Hurricanes, Kraken, Jets and Lightning had since then. If we start from March 1st, they had .650 which is better than all those teams plus the Devils too (and not far behind Toronto).

Incidentally, Tkachuk put up 1.43 P/GP since Feb 1st and 1.50P/GP since Mar. 1st.

They still made the playoffs with 92 points...which is way low. Even with that run at the end they needed Pittsburgh to totally fall flat on their faces. You watched the Flames 93 point season...did you think they deserved playoffs?

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Nah, the sooner they lose the better. Don't give them the satisfaction of raising yet another banner in that arena.

This is why the world shouldn't be giving out participation medals. Edmonton took the ball and ran with that ####.

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by Spurs

There are so many legitimate things to criticize the Oilers and Edmonton for, the silly McDavid hate and flat out lies about him are always very cringeworthy. I don't think people have to cheer him on and pump him up but no need to make stuff up about him either.

Oiler fan for sure.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by dino7c

They still made the playoffs with 92 points...which is way low. Even with that run at the end they needed Pittsburgh to totally fall flat on their faces. You watched the Flames 93 point season...did you think they deserved playoffs?

One team improved every month of the season and is lighting up the playoffs. They also played in a killer division

One team looked lost all year and played in a joke of a division and conference

Honestly you just need to admit you were wrong and move on .