Are flames fans concerned about the team leaving if the arena situation falls through

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Well sure. That would likely be a win win for me as fan as well haha

That's what some people are discussing. Though I think that they don't realize there would be at least a 5 year hiatus of hockey here. It took 15 in Winnipeg and that was only because the Thrashers crapped out (speaking of which is was 19 years for Atlanta between the Flames and Thrashers).

[Teroy]

As I said before, we have been a Flames fan since day one. Was a season ticket holder till 1992. We haven't lived in Calgary since 1993 but we still have "Flames" stenciled on our hearts. I can understand the reluctance of the Calgary taxpayers to fund a new facility for a billionaire. That said, if the Flames moved we'd still cheer for them, wherever they went. It's in our DNA. We watch every game on T.V.; purchase Centre Ice every year so we can do so. We're hockey fans. We'll watch every playoff game and yes we'll cheer for the Oilers. They are the other Alberta team and we will always be Albertans.

[Jordan!]

Welcome to hell. It shocked me to see so many calgarians willing to see the team
Leave. Calgary is the Flamea. Period. Get it done Edwards’s you cheap sack

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by tvp2003

Norman M. Edwards.

Better known by his middle name -- Murray.

thanks. I actually had no idea what he looked like.

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by Jordan!

Welcome to hell. It shocked me to see so many calgarians willing to see the team
Leave. Calgary is the Flames. Period. Get it done Edwards’s you cheap sack

Why?

you get to an age where life is more than a hockey team.
Besides, Calgary is more than the Flames.

If they left, people's lives would change very little.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

That's what some people are discussing. Though I think that they don't realize there would be at least a 5 year hiatus of hockey here. It took 15 in Winnipeg and that was only because the Thrashers crapped out (speaking of which is was 19 years for Atlanta between the Flames and Thrashers).

Yeah, it’d be a nice break from the Flames haha. I still think they’d relocate the Coyotes before the Flames. Two new expansion teams is way more attractive than two relocations.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Except if the team moved AND Calgary had an expansion team it's a win win for the league. They get a cut of sale proceeds and they get an expansion fee.

In that scenario, they would prefer two new expansion teams (and commensurate fees) and keep existing teams where they are.

IMO the question isn't whether the Flames move, but whether Edwards is going to sell one day.

[White Out 403]

Canadian ownership is the worst. They #### on the fans because they think they don't have to work to have our support. Look at the way ownership treats season ticket holders in places like Florida, Vegas, or even Minnesota. I've been of this mindset for years now, that, Canadian owners are sucking this market dry and abusing Canadian fans goodwill. It's grotesque

[Mazrim]

I can watch any hockey game any night of the season for the price of a couple nights at the Dome. I've watched more of some other teams than the Flames this year. If they move, I'll keep watching hockey the same as I do now.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by White Out 403

Canadian ownership is the worst. They #### on the fans because they think they don't have to work to have our support. Look at the way ownership treats season ticket holders in places like Florida, Vegas, or even Minnesota. I've been of this mindset for years now, that, Canadian owners are sucking this market dry and abusing Canadian fans goodwill. It's grotesque

I think that it too generalized.

I think MLSE is actually good ownership and does everything they can to help the Leafs win. They charge a lot but I don't think ownership gets in the way a lot. The Raptors, Toronto FC, and Marlies have all won championships too, so overall MLSE has had a lot of success.

Same thing with Molson family in Montreal. Don't think they are "bad" owners. Think they tried to extend a window with Price in net, it failed (although they made the finals, and conference finals in the last 10 years), and now they have committed to a rebuild.

Ottawa had poor ownership...but for different reasons than most Canadian teams. He just didn't have the money or the market to be a success.

Winnipeg ownership seems okay. If anything they've had the opposite problem of other Canadian teams and have been too patient to push the chips in to go for a run.

Really it's Edmonton, Calgary, and Vancouver.

For Edmonton and Calgary I think a bit part of it is that Katz and Edwards almost have this "Hero Complex" that they should be more respected because they saved the teams during hard times and now the city and fanbase almost owes them something.

For Vancouver the Aquilini family just seem to be bad people.

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I think that it too generalized.

I think MLSE is actually good ownership and does everything they can to help the Leafs win. They charge a lot but I don't think ownership gets in the way a lot. The Raptors, Toronto FC, and Marlies have all won championships too, so overall MLSE has had a lot of success.

Same thing with Molson family in Montreal. Don't think they are "bad" owners. Think they tried to extend a window with Price in net, it failed (although they made the finals, and conference finals in the last 10 years), and now they have committed to a rebuild.

Ottawa had poor ownership...but for different reasons than most Canadian teams. He just didn't have the money or the market to be a success.

Winnipeg ownership seems okay. If anything they've had the opposite problem of other Canadian teams and have been too patient to push the chips in to go for a run.

Really it's Edmonton, Calgary, and Vancouver.

For Edmonton and Calgary I think a bit part of it is that Katz and Edwards almost have this "Hero Complex" that they should be more respected because they saved the teams during hard times and now the city and fanbase almost owes them something.

For Vancouver the Aquilini family just seem to be bad people.

I'm speaking specifically on how they treat fans game day, season ticket holders, perks for having season tickets,

[GFG#1]

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

The city already did...CSEC walked away.

CSSC walked away when the City changed the goalposts and added an extra 20 mil for solar and sidewalks. Sure you can say Murray used that as an excuse to try and get a better deal. However, do you honestly think that starting the same/similar building 3 years later is going to cost you less to build then it would have 3 years ago, even with the costs rising at the time.

The new quotes are only going to be over what the quotes were 3 years ago. and probably 20-30% higher.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by White Out 403

I'm speaking specifically on how they treat fans game day, season ticket holders, perks for having season tickets,

Ah think that is fair.

But also just a natural byproduct of not having to try to attract fans. When these teams see attendance drop that is when you tend to see them do some more things where they have more perks for fans.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by GFG#1

CSSC walked away when the City changed the goalposts and added an extra 20 mil for solar and sidewalks. Sure you can say Murray used that as an excuse to try and get a better deal. However, do you honestly think that starting the same/similar building 3 years later is going to cost you less to build then it would have 3 years ago, even with the costs rising at the time.

The new quotes are only going to be over what the quotes were 3 years ago. and probably 20-30% higher.

Both sides pulling away from what was a $609M agreement ($321M Flames to City's $287.5M) over the extra $25.5M was stupid.

That was a 4% cost overrun at that time, and both sides should feel stupid for walking away from that over what was a 4% add on to costs.

I actually think it was a worse decision from the city IMO, my gut is next time around the Flames end up getting a better deal than what was on the table last time. Especially since CSEC was willing to fund any cost over run last time, but weren't willing to fund this $25.5M for infrastructure and climate (Solar panels).

[GioforPM]

MLSE is a way different animal. Owned by two mega media corps (formerly rivals). And a really rich but behind the scenes kind old guy in Tannenbaum.

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by Jordan!

Welcome to hell. It shocked me to see so many calgarians willing to see the team
Leave. Calgary is the Flamea. Period. Get it done Edwards’s you cheap sack

Calgary is the Flames?

Man, have a bit more civic pride than that. When I think back to life in Calgary, the Flames are well down the list of things that made me care about the place.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by GFG#1

CSSC walked away when the City changed the goalposts and added an extra 20 mil for solar and sidewalks. Sure you can say Murray used that as an excuse to try and get a better deal. However, do you honestly think that starting the same/similar building 3 years later is going to cost you less to build then it would have 3 years ago, even with the costs rising at the time.

The new quotes are only going to be over what the quotes were 3 years ago. and probably 20-30% higher.

It wasn't a goalpost change. And yes, I believe Edwards thought construction costs might drop. Or he'd get a better split.

[Jason14h]

Anyone thinking the Flames get an expansion team anytime soon if the Flames left is crazy

To start the city would have to fully finance a new arena themselves to even be considered.

Wouldn’t it be better to pay 50% then 100%?

Sure in 15 years and a new arena being built you might . So in 20 years we might have a team that’s ready to contend ! Yaaaayyyyy

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

So in 20 years we might have a team that’s ready to contend ! Yaaaayyyyy

So, no changes then to the status quo.

[TOfan]

This is a good article that illustrates what it would take for the Flames to leave town.

https://theathletic.com/182400/2017/...oking-houston/

Hard to believe this was written six years ago but much of it is still relevant. In short, it would be pretty difficult for the Flames to leave nor would it make much sense.