03-03-2023, 01:48 PM
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#61
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Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy
Treliving haters make me laugh. Such simple folk.
Flames #1 goalie goes from Vezina finalist to complete and utter sieve, and this is somehow Treliving's fault. Haha
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You are judged by your decisions and your record. The two contracts alone have wrecked the team for years.
The team won two playoff rounds under him. Not a stellar resume by any measure.
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03-03-2023, 01:48 PM
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#62
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Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Cleveland, OH (Grew up in Calgary)
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Hey, I’ll take the funny, ultimately meaningless trade over a dumb desperation trade. The team is still ####ed but at least I got a laugh out of this trade deadline
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Last edited by Hockey_Ninja; 03-04-2023 at 03:04 AM.
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03-03-2023, 01:50 PM
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#63
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Originally Posted by ResAlien
I’m not a hater by any means but then whose fault is it? The buck has to stop somewhere and they’ve made zero changes to the roster, coaching, or supplemental coaching staff. I spose we can throw our hands up and say cest la vie but if GM isn’t responsible for the team he’s built then who is?
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How is he supposed to stop Markstrom from completely ####ting the bed?
He went into the season with the #2 goalie in the league last season and now he's not even in the top 50.
Not Treliving's fault at all.
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03-03-2023, 01:50 PM
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#64
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Needs More Cowbell
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Not Canada, Eh?
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Originally Posted by ResAlien
I’m not a hater by any means but then whose fault is it? The buck has to stop somewhere and they’ve made zero changes to the roster, coaching, or supplemental coaching staff. I spose we can throw our hands up and say cest la vie but if GM isn’t responsible for the team he’s built then who is?
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RoofDaddy subscribes to Pass The Buck Monthly which is the periodical for incompetent managers that he idolizes.
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03-03-2023, 01:51 PM
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#65
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Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Park Hyatt Tokyo
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Originally Posted by Muta
I'm done with team for the season, not much to look forward to here anymore. Time to shelve all things Flames until the fall and go all in on the Cavalry!
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Bye Felicia!
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03-03-2023, 01:51 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Austria, NOT Australia
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Originally Posted by saillias
So the common saying around here is that "they'll deal with the big 6 in the summer." Ok. Say you're Don Waddell. It's early July. Treliving calls you and re-engages on Toffoli. He wants a 1st plus. Firstly there are 4-5 free agents you're after you can get for no picks. Two you've made a habit out of taking advantage of teams needing to dump cap - you got Burns and Pacioretty for free, why pay? Third Toffoli and ALL of these players are now impending UFAs and you can wait until the 2024 deadline. You say thanks Brad but call us back near the 2024 deadline.
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Toffoli has more goals and points than any forward who becomes a free agent this summer, and yes, that includes players like Patrick Kane. So, if you're Don Waddell, you're just not going to find a forward via UFA who gives you what Toffoli does, and you sure as #### won't find one at $4.25m.
I'd imagine Toffoli is going to have a really solid market, simply because he's a RH winger who puts up good numbers and vastly outperforms his contract. And that's before you think about negotiating an extension or the Flames retaining salary. Now we don't know if the Flames will even want to move him, but I'd be shocked if the market weren't there to do it.
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03-03-2023, 01:51 PM
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#67
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Ontario
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Originally Posted by Manhattanboy
You are judged by your decisions and your record. The two contracts alone have wrecked the team for years.
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One year does not a contract make
So many knee jerk reactions
Still plenty of time for the “two contracts” to turn it around.
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03-03-2023, 01:52 PM
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#68
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Originally Posted by cannon7
RoofDaddy subscribes to Pass The Buck Monthly which is the periodical for incompetent managers that he idolizes.
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You're just a whiny, angry fan that has to find someone to blame whether they deserve it or not lol
They've lost 24 one goal games mostly due to a goalie who went from a 0.922 save % to a .889 save % and you want to fire the GM because you are a simpleton.
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03-03-2023, 01:52 PM
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Not a casual user
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: A simple man leading a complicated life....
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Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy
How is he supposed to stop Markstrom from completely ####ting the bed?
He went into the season with the #2 goalie in the league last season and now he's not even in the top 50.
Not Treliving's fault at all.
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Before we write Marky off, why not give him another season to see if this season was an aberration.
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03-03-2023, 01:54 PM
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Lifetime In Suspension
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Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy
How is he supposed to stop Markstrom from completely ####ting the bed?
He went into the season with the #2 goalie in the league last season and now he's not even in the top 50.
Not Treliving's fault at all.
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I can understand this line of thinking but don’t agree with it. His apparent inaction to correct an issue that has sewered the season leads me to believe either he is incapable of doing anything or not empowered to do so. Burning a season because of Markstrom’s turning into Hiller doesn’t seem like a solid plan to me
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03-03-2023, 01:55 PM
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#71
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Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Originally Posted by saillias
So the common saying around here is that "they'll deal with the big 6 in the summer." Ok. Say you're Don Waddell. It's early July. Treliving calls you and re-engages on Toffoli. He wants a 1st plus. Firstly there are 4-5 free agents you're after you can get for no picks. Two you've made a habit out of taking advantage of teams needing to dump cap - you got Burns and Pacioretty for free, why pay? Third Toffoli and ALL of these players are now impending UFAs and you can wait until the 2024 deadline. You say thanks Brad but call us back near the 2024 deadline.
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Nah, there are never a lot of UFAs on the level of what the Flames will have on offer (if they do choose). A year of Hanifin or Lindy at that salary is a lot better than overpaying a UFA and having to offer more years than you care to.
The other option is to see how the season goes. If goaltending improves the Flames are almost automatic for the POsz. If they don’t then yeah, trade the pending UFAs.
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03-03-2023, 01:55 PM
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#72
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Originally Posted by Dion
Before we write Marky off, why not give him another season to see if this season was an aberration.
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I never said to write him off. I just said to stop blaming the GM
Goalies are fricken voodoo. He could be a top goalie again next season easily.
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03-03-2023, 01:55 PM
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#73
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Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Ontario
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Originally Posted by Dion
Before we write Marky off, why not give him another season to see if this season was an aberration.
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Especially since his partner just gave birth and he has played better after it (although too short of an example to call a trend). He seemed distracted, maybe something non-hockey was bothering him. Coincidence? Who knows.
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03-03-2023, 01:56 PM
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Needs More Cowbell
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Not Canada, Eh?
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy
How is he supposed to stop Markstrom from completely ####ting the bed?
He went into the season with the #2 goalie in the league last season and now he's not even in the top 50.
Not Treliving's fault at all.
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So you have a race horse that is now lame. You ride that horse into the ground and then blame either the horse or the ground you ran it into? Brilliant.
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03-03-2023, 01:56 PM
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#75
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Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy
You're just a whiny, angry fan that has to find someone to blame whether they deserve it or not lol
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You are on a roll with your personal attacks. Why? Feel better now? FFS, what is wrong with this board?
As for "Trevliving Haters" - I have long stated that Treliving has shown himself to be a mediocre GM, as this team's record has been mediocre under his watch. He has yet to build a consistent playoff team. That is his job.
I guess this makes me a hater, whiny, angry, pathetic, or 'simple folk'.
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03-03-2023, 01:57 PM
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#76
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Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Ontario
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cannon7
So you have a race horse that is now lame. You ride that horse into the ground and then blame either the horse or the ground you ran it into? Brilliant.
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Nobody is keeping you here…
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03-03-2023, 01:57 PM
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#77
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Originally Posted by cannon7
So you have a race horse that is now lame. You ride that horse into the ground and then blame either the horse or the ground you ran it into? Brilliant.
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We've already been through this stupid argument where Treliving should have magically produced another #1 goalie from out of his arse.
I'm not going down that road with you again.
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03-03-2023, 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe
You are on a roll with your personal attacks. Why? Feel better now? FFS, what is wrong with this board?
As for "Trevliving Haters" - I have long stated that Treliving has shown himself to be a mediocre GM, as this team's record has been mediocre under his watch. He has yet to build a consistent playoff team. That is his job.
I guess this makes me a hater, whiny, angry, pathetic, or 'simple folk'.
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Aww poor you lol
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03-03-2023, 01:58 PM
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#79
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I believe in the Jays.
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Kitsilano
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Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy
You're just a whiny, angry fan that has to find someone to blame whether they deserve it or not lol
They've lost 24 one goal games mostly due to a goalie who went from a 0.922 save % to a .889 save % and you want to fire the GM because you are a simpleton.
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Goaltending is a part of the story. An extra save would be great, but a dreadful PP and some fairly substandard offensive performances from our forwards are part of this as well. Blame has to be spread more evenly.
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03-03-2023, 01:58 PM
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#80
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: still in edmonton
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ResAlien
I’m not a hater by any means but then whose fault is it? The buck has to stop somewhere and they’ve made zero changes to the roster, coaching, or supplemental coaching staff. I spose we can throw our hands up and say cest la vie but if GM isn’t responsible for the team he’s built then who is?
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To a degree, as he's the one who wears the face of it all publicly. But I do think Ownership has a huge factor to what team a GM can or can't build.
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