The Calgary Flames "goalie killers" Jordan Sigalet (and now) Jason LaBarbera

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by tkflames

The funny thing is that the flames goalies are decent at difficult shots and suck at low quality shots...

I don't think that's the case at all. It's early high quality chances (usually after prolonged minutes of zero activity) from top players going in. Not many real stinkers. Just a lot of times when a great stop on a Mackinnon laser or Laine breakaway or a two on one would be ideal. The timing is usually bad.

[the-rasta-masta]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Talbot had a .919 that season

Until the last couple seasons when scoring ballooned, .915 was an average starter's save percentage and he was above that

I think what you remember is probably game 6 against Dallas

It was somewhat of a microcosm, but the eventual collapse did technically occur with him as well


Ramo was the only real consistent guy here. .911, .912, and a .909

He was treated as a backup, but he was at least steady. From what I recall, he gave a good performance when he took over the net against the Ducks in 2015 and should have been in net the whole series (was too little, too late)

Just like Vladar should have been after game 2 of the BOA

We always go down with the sinking goalie though, don't we?

Ramo was in net pretty much the whole Ducks series. He took over in Game 6 against the Canucks, and the the Flames tried Hiller again in Game 1 against the Ducks, but switched to Ramo before the game was half over. Ramo played the rest.

Hiller also was oustanding against the Canucks up until Game 6.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by FormerPresJamesTaylor

When will you have enough information? This is the 7th year Sigalet's been in the organization

That's a silly comment.

None of us have enough information to decide if a person doing a job that we don't see should be fired.

They had a Vezina runner up last year, I'm sure that's somewhere on the to do list for a goalie coaching group.

Does it mean they're great and should be given life time contracts? Nope. But it's enough conflicting info for me to not just assume something from the outside with zero actual information.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by the-rasta-masta

Ramo was in net pretty much the whole Ducks series. He took over in Game 6 against the Canucks, and the the Flames tried Hiller again in Game 1 against the Ducks, but switched to Ramo before the game was half over. Ramo played the rest.

Hiller also was oustanding against the Canucks up until Game 6.

That's correct. That whole year Hartley had a weird knack of switching goalies when one was about to go on a decent run. It ended with the Ducks. Who of course had a fantastic team at the time.

[Scooter]

Originally Posted by Number 39

In the case of Markstom it seems like more of an issue for a sports psychologist rather than a goaltending coach from where I sit. Perhaps thats a role that should be more closely examined with this team’s history.

More so than a goalie coach change your recommendation for a sports psychologist would probably help Markstrom more. Don't know whether the Flames have ever had one, but he could probably be of some benefit to some of the skaters as well!

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by Inferno

Some people are just better at seeing the game than they were playing it.

Agreed, the skills to being a great coach don't include being a genetic freak in the department of reflexes and fast twitch muscles, which most NHL goalies have.

Sure, if you have those, it means you may have been exposed to the game at higher levels, which helps.

Scotty Bowman never played a day in the NHL, or close to it.

[squiggs96]

Originally Posted by Bingo

That's a silly comment.

None of us have enough information to decide if a person doing a job that we don't see should be fired.

They had a Vezina runner up last year, I'm sure that's somewhere on the to do list for a goalie coaching group.

Does it mean they're great and should be given life time contracts? Nope. But it's enough conflicting info for me to not just assume something from the outside with zero actual information.

If we haven't figured out if Gulutzan should have been fired yet, there is no way we could know if Sigalet has been doing a good job or not. We need to look at both sides.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by the-rasta-masta

Ramo was in net pretty much the whole Ducks series. He took over in Game 6 against the Canucks, and the the Flames tried Hiller again in Game 1 against the Ducks, but switched to Ramo before the game was half over. Ramo played the rest.

Hiller also was oustanding against the Canucks up until Game 6.

Wow thanks. I clearly misremembered how the net was managed in those playoffs. That's right

He was good against Anaheim even though the Flames were overmatched that year

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Wow thanks. I clearly misremembered how the net was managed in those playoffs. That's right

He was good against Anaheim even though the Flames were overmatched that year

Hit and miss in the second round. He was sub .900 in 3 of 5 games (including one win) and over .935 in the other two (both Ls).

His one game against Vancouver he was .895 but of course won the game.

[FormerPresJamesTaylor]

Originally Posted by Bingo

That's a silly comment.

None of us have enough information to decide if a person doing a job that we don't see should be fired.

They had a Vezina runner up last year, I'm sure that's somewhere on the to do list for a goalie coaching group.

Does it mean they're great and should be given life time contracts? Nope. But it's enough conflicting info for me to not just assume something from the outside with zero actual information.

Yours was a comment, I questioned it.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by FormerPresJamesTaylor

Yours was a comment, I questioned it.

Ok that's a silly question!

[FormerPresJamesTaylor]

Jesus christ, it was a valid question, grow the #### up.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by FormerPresJamesTaylor

Jesus christ, it was a valid question, grow the #### up.

The answer is - we will never have enough information to know if Sigalet's doing a good job. Because for all we know he's doing everything right and the goalies are not working well with it.

Sigalet doesn't do day to day coaching anyway. As Director of Goaltending he's above that fray and more about drafting, organizational goalie development and goalie scouting. Labarbera is the day to day guy, and he's been in the job 2 years.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

The answer is - we will never have enough information to know if Sigalet's doing a good job. Because for all we know he's doing everything right and the goalies are not working well with it.

Sigalet doesn't do day to day coaching anyway. As Director of Goaltending he's above that fray and more about drafting, organizational goalie development and goalie scouting. Labarbera is the day to day guy, and he's been in the job 2 years.

And likely carries out Sigalet's directive according to how things have been run within the team for years

Something about what they've been doing with the day to day needs to either be changed or updated

[Cecil Terwilliger]

And yet we constantly evaluate coaching, GM and scouting results without being in the room. Why would goalie coach be exempt?

[sketchyt]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

The answer is - we will never have enough information to know if Sigalet's doing a good job. Because for all we know he's doing everything right and the goalies are not working well with it.

I generally agree with this statement. However, I can't pinpoint what the general gameplan is for goaltending in a technical sense. For most teams, I can but I'm pretty baffled at the Flames.

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

And yet we constantly evaluate coaching, GM and scouting results without being in the room. Why would goalie coach be exempt?

*waves hands* ah you see it’s because reasons

I don’t get it either, can judge every position and job except goalie coach that’s a bridge too far. Weathermen and goalie coaches apparently are the best jobs on earth

[rooster]

Markstrom all season and Vladar lately have been on their knees way to much! Stand the f^%$ up!

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

And yet we constantly evaluate coaching, GM and scouting results without being in the room. Why would goalie coach be exempt?

Well, we express opinions, but we don't really have any knowledge of most of those either. Plus we can see who got traded or signed and for what. Can you tell me what Sigalet and Labarbera are teaching?

[Hoop27]

Glove hand positioning. A technique suited to 5'11 goaltenders.

They have the glove up by the ear instead of at a traditional ready position. Doesn't work as well for very tall goaltenders.

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Well, we express opinions, but we don't really have any knowledge of most of those either. Plus we can see who got traded or signed and for what. Can you tell me what Sigalet and Labarbera are teaching?