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[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Young Guns

Sutter just said Markstrom has a better save percentage than Vladar since the 20 game mark of the season. This can’t be true can it?

talk about looking HARD to justify something

flat earth markstrom cult. equally as ignorant as the guys that meet in Edmonton annually

I also firmly believe that's false and outright misleading

does Sutter just not like vladar's polite & humble personality?

wants piss, vinegar and self pity?

[direwolf]

These guys are not looking like a playoff team at all. Pretty disappointing season so far after what seemed like a pretty great summer by Treliving. On paper the Flames should be much better than what they've shown this year.

I still have a tiny sliver of hope that they can somehow find a way to turn things around and get on a roll. But man, watching this team right now is a real slog. I have no idea what the answer is.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Young Guns

Sutter just said Markstrom has a better save percentage than Vladar since the 20 game mark of the season. This can’t be true can it?

These quotes that Sutter has been giving recently really scare me. Even if true vladar has been winning games. I don’t care if we are up 10 or down 10 , you can’t tell me lucic belongs in top 6

[SuperMatt18]

Honestly I think Sutter needs to loosen the reigns a little and let these guys take a little risk.

The system they are playing to generate shot volume and not quality just isnt working. And to be honest outside of Tkachuk-Lindholm-Gaudreau it didnt work last year either.

They need to take more risks. Huberdeau, Kadri, Lindholm, etc all really seem to be showing no real creativity this year.

Its "Hit the blue line, dump the puck in, retrieve it, work it back to the point, point shot, hope for a rebound"

No royal road passes, nothing cross ice, everything is behind the net, back to the point, point shot.

Also Lucic, Ruzicka, and Duehr were all poor tonight IMO. No reason that Pelletier shouldnt get a look next game.

[Flamesfan05]

Markstrom can make the big saves, maybe even have better save percentage but he still can’t be trusted. That’s the bottom line. Dude is not reliable

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Young Guns

Sutter just said Markstrom has a better save percentage than Vladar since the 20 game mark of the season. This can’t be true can it?

It's close but false.

Markstrom .900
Vladar .904

And here is the big one to me - look at save percentage when the game is within 1 goal the last 26 games.

Vladar: .919
Markstrom: .892

Lately it feels like a theme that Markstrom will let in 2-3 goals, and then stabalize a bit to end the game with okay stats but started behind the 8 ball.

When the games have been tight though Markstrom has been bad.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Markstrom can make the big saves, maybe even have better save percentage but he still can’t be trusted. That’s the bottom line. Dude is not reliable

agreed

even after three cartwheel saves, you just know an iffy one will slip by him before the guy at the other end cracks

it's not even the numbers. it's when and what he surrenders when he does

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

It's close but false.

Markstrom .900

Vladar .904

who is feeding darryl incorrect stats

[Flame On]

Sigh so much to dislike.
Hey Ruzicka...

[HighLifeMan]

Originally Posted by Young Guns

Sutter just said Markstrom has a better save percentage than Vladar since the 20 game mark of the season. This can’t be true can it?

He’s wrong.

Over the past 26 games, Vladar has a 0.904 and Markstrom a 0.900

Vladar has faced far more difficult opponents.

*beaten too it

[Jacks]

Never mind, I was counting exhibition games in the first 20.

[Jacks]

double post

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

It's close but false.

Markstrom .900

Vladar .904

That’s not really meaningfully different though.

Sutter does seem like a massive problem and possibly the biggest problem to the teams success right now.

Also, the players seem lazy but not sure why. I know there’s not a lot of financial incentive but I doubt they are inherently just lazy people. They look like it though as 20-30 mins a night simply does not cut it in the NHL.

[SaskyFlamesFan]

This team has played at a .554 pace so far. Lets say the cutoff for playoffs is 92 pts. They will need 41 points in their last 36 games, that is a .569 pace. They have 19 games left against teams below them in the standings.

A loss Saturday and suddenly they have to play at a .585 pace.

They are teetering on the edge. They need to make serious hay against those 19 games vs teams below them or that stretch at the end Feb / early March could be it. Knights, Avs, Bruins, Leafs, Wild, Stars Wild.

That is why losing points vs the Hawks and a banged up Blues team should not be acceptable

[CroCop]

And with the 16th pick in the ‘23 draft, the Flames select….

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by SaskyFlamesFan

This team has played at a .554 pace so far. Lets say the cutoff for playoffs is 92 pts. They will need 41 points in their last 36 games, that is a .569 pace. They have 19 games left against teams below them in the standings.

A loss Saturday and suddenly they have to play at a .585 pace.

They are teetering on the edge. They need to make serious hay against those 19 games vs teams below them or that stretch at the end Feb / early March could be it. Knights, Avs, Bruins, Leafs, Wild, Stars Wild.

That is why losing points vs the Hawks and a banged up Blues team should not be acceptable

Agreed, I don’t think they’re gonna make it honestly. Too lazy, didn’t want it enough.

[Manhattanboy]

Tonight is why you simply cannot lose to CHI, MTL, STL etc etc.

[Voodooman]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

These quotes that Sutter has been giving recently really scare me. Even if true vladar has been winning games. I don’t care if we are up 10 or down 10 , you can’t tell me lucic belongs in top 6

I’m not sure if Sutter’s had a stroke, or this is a meta class in trolling. The answers in the presser tonight weren’t just defiant or whatever, they were outright non-sensical. What in the flying #### does “It’s hard to beat the champs twice in one season” mean? You were pleased with the effort and it was just puck luck? WTF!?!

I’m just so done. I’m just a random fan, and don’t know #### from shinola, but this team does nothing that excites me. It’s just a whole big bag of meaningless garbage.

[Joborule]

Well as long as Markstrom is going to get most of the starts, I have little faith in Sutter giving this roster the best chance to win since the system doesn't work at all if your goaltending isn't strong. Argue all you want about the players not playing well enough thus leading to goals against, but the team definitely plays different in front of Vladar, and he looks much more comfortable and confident in net than Markstrom does.

Lucic in the top 6 isn't the answer either since that well has finally dried out. Can he be slotted back as a 4th liner/scratch player now?

[Winsor_Pilates]

Huberdeau is the new Leeman