[PGT] Jets 3 Flames 2

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by VANFLAMESFAN

To arguably the best goalie in the league right now.

We really gonna pile on Markstrom tonight? Really, that’s where the rage is?

This place.

It isnt this place, it's that poster.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by zamler

I'll get bullied for saying this, didn't like the winning goal on Markstrom.

A last second tip that changed direction?

And you blame the goalie?

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

It isnt this place, it's that poster.

Bo Levi is just super pissy the freedom convoy has been cancelled. boohoo

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by Yamer

No. They played at the same level.

Markstrom had a .880 SV%
Hellebuyck had a .943 SV%

Hellebuyck made 11 more saves than Markstrom.

I actually don't think Markstrom was that bad. But when you are paid $6 million, you have to play better than the other goalie consistently. Not just occasionally.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

That's what I saw as well. Weird time for anybody to try to get nitpicky over Markstrom tonight. Both goalies were good.

They outshot the Jets 35-25. Clearly one goaltender was better. It’s not even debatable. I’m not hanging this one all on goaltending as this game was a very typical loss for this edition of the Flames. Lack of offense, poor discipline, and the 2nd best goaltender on the ice.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

needed to be in position for one of the last two that went in

if he's in position on either they might not go in

don't like seeing half his body outside of the post, even if the shots are high quality/deflected

needs to at least give himself a chance by cutting off the angles

This has been my issue all season, his fundamentals have been crap. Not square to the shooter and small in his net.

It doesn’t necessarily lead to “soft” goals, but means he’s not making any of those saves where you get a bit lucky on a deflection like Gagner’s and the puck just hits the goalie

It’s remarkable that the team is as close to a playoff spot as they are with a .981 PDO which is bottom 5. The only teams with worse PDO are Anaheim, Chicago, Columbus, and Montreal and three of those teams are favourites for Bedard right now

[Sofa GM]

If we could get Kylington back, would love to ship Hanifin out for a goal scorer. He is overrated.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

It isnt this place, it's that poster.

There has been a few

[Bonded]

Close game but some concerning patterns. Third goal was weaker but once again no real finish and some bad defense. They are on the wrong side of 1 goal games which is not great.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

A last second tip that changed direction?

And you blame the goalie?

Markstrom is slow moving side to side on the winning goal I'd like to see him set, gives a chance to make the save.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

They outshot the Jets 35-25. Clearly one goaltender was better. It’s not even debatable.

Shots are not all created equal

There is also luck involved like bounces, posts, ect.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

They outshot the Jets 35-25. Clearly one goaltender was better. It’s not even debatable.

Of course it is. The 35 shots weren't all breakaways. And the Zadorov goal was the worst one given up tonight. Save percentage can be extremely misleading, like tonight. Both goalies were good.

[calgaryred]

Enjoyed the game Flames played good, PP sucks but PK they are getting good, hope for a win friday.

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by chummer

Yeah but you never show up when he is the best goalie.

That's because he's the 8723rd most useful poster on the board most nights.

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

If we could get Kylington back, would love to ship Hanifin out for a goal scorer. He is overrated.

Is there a more negative-value contract than Kylington's this year? I'm sure whatever his issue is is serious and unfortunate, but the results for the fan are what they are.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Of course it is. The 35 shots weren't all breakaways. And the Zadorov goal was the worst one given up tonight. Save percentage can be extremely misleading, like tonight. Both goalies were good.

I will hang my hat on statistical evidence on this one.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

Markstrom had a .880 SV%
Hellebuyck had a .943 SV%

Hellebuyck made 11 more saves than Markstrom.

I actually don't think Markstrom was that bad. But when you are paid $6 million, you have to play better than the other goalie consistently. Not just occasionally.

he's paid to be elite

and he's typically given the luxury of having less of a workload than the guy at the other end

at the same time there is usually a good number of high danger chances in that handful of shots

I don't blame him, but at the same time I can't honestly say he's playing quite to the level he's being paid to be at

[DropIt]

Originally Posted by VANFLAMESFAN

To arguably the best goalie in the league right now.

We really gonna pile on Markstrom tonight? Really, that’s where the rage is?

This place.

2nd best player on the ice

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

Is there a more negative-value contract than Kylington's this year? I'm sure whatever his issue is is serious and unfortunate, but the results for the fan are what they are.

Well Darnell Nurse…….. but I know what you’re saying….

[NewFan]

Just fix the PP already.
They can't score on PP and are giving the other team all the momentum.