[PGT] Flames lose 5-2 to the St Louis Boooos!

[soulchoice]

Originally Posted by Poe969

Have they tried Lewis, Lucic, and maybe Huberdeau as w first line.

At this point, he has been tried with everyone else with no success, what is there to lose? If that doesn't work, why stop there, we have 12-13 players down with the Wranglers who can be recalled to see if there is a fit for him.

[dieHARDflameZ]

When was the last time you saw a Flames player get really angry and show some fire towards the opponent? These guys don’t even look like they give a $&@%. Just going through the motions.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

13 and 19 are gone but we still have leaders who thrived under Sutter, particularly last year

I get it re the new guys (all of whom are busts under the Sutter system) but how is it that the rest of the team have quit on Sutter?

Probably read up on how treats people. Probably wears thin quick.

[Patek23]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

13 and 19 are gone but we still have leaders who thrived under Sutter, particularly last year

I get it re the new guys (all of whom are busts under the Sutter system) but how is it that the rest of the team have quit on Sutter?

Sutter knows how to win and what it takes. His problem has always been his messaging and how he goes about it. Not everyone has the thick skin to deal with that year after year. That may say more about the players than the coach, but it is what it is. Dont forget after winning 2 cups with the guys in LA they literally locked him out of their dressing room. Its looking like its Sutters time to hit the pastures and his extension looks like a HUGE blunder right now.

[Patek23]

Originally Posted by The Fisher Account

Time to fire our Jack Adam’s coach.

As is tradition.

Its actually crazy how often this happens.

[AFireInside]

I think the perfect example of this season was that play with Coleman and Ruzicka tonight. It had me yelling at me tv then the play by play team pointed it out.

Coleman carries it in with some speed, Ruzicka is within 6 feet of him and gliding. Coleman turns to the boards, and Ruzicka just continues to glide instead of taking the clear path to the net.

A lot of players floating around waiting for things to happen instead of trying to make things happen.

[soulchoice]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Who is on the list of the most forgettable players to ever score more than a 100 points in a season? Because Huberdeau is going to challenging for that.

Mike Bullard? After his 100 point season, he declined quite a bit after being traded to the Blues.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

13 and 19 are gone but we still have leaders who thrived under Sutter, particularly last year

I get it re the new guys (all of whom are busts under the Sutter system) but how is it that the rest of the team have quit on Sutter?

Personally, I don’t think they have given up on Sutter at all. They’re still engaged, playing hard, checking, keeping the shots and chances down.

But without 13 and 19, the easy goals are gone, they have to score the hard goals. The top line just made it so easy for everyone last year, generating momentum, dangerous scoring chances, tiring out opposition defenders and putting the next line out with possession and in a position to score.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Flaming Homer

Its actually crazy how often this happens.

no wonder he outright said he didn't want it

kiss of death!

[driveway]

Treleving took a swing for the fences with the the Tkachuk trade & Kadri signing. It was a calculated risk, with a Cup as the potential outcome, but the consequences of a miss? Oof.

How much better would people be feeling if the Flames had an identical record, but had Jesper Bratt, and an expiring Monahan contract in the offseason?

Now we have multiple 30+ year old players signed long term, and look to be back in the 6th - 10th nightmare bubble zone for the next five years. Trying to make a couple moves to make the playoffs with the “chip and a chair” mentality, only to frequently finish 10th, and hope we’re drafting the next Dylan Dube.

Someone … maybe KFF? Said it earlier this season: welcome to the 2010-11 Flames.

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

13 and 19 are gone but we still have leaders who thrived under Sutter, particularly last year

I get it re the new guys (all of whom are busts under the Sutter system) but how is it that the rest of the team have quit on Sutter?

The team has changed and Sutter has not adapted his system.

He was embarrassed in that Oilers series. Cruising along to start this season, one loss to the Oilers, which was completely on Markstrom, and he goes into full panic and blow it up mode. The team has not recovered.

He has clear favourites and he rides them no matter what. If a non favourite makes a mistake it's bench time. If a Sutter guys effs up he gets sent out the very next shift.

I think Toffoli has been terrible this year and dragging down his line. Of course he's a Sutter guy, so he's stapled to Lindholm or Huberdeau or both.

[N-E-B]

Yeah, I don’t see a team that has quit on their coach. I see a team that isn’t as good as people thought they were.

That’s not to say Sutter isn’t free of blame, but I don’t think this is a case of a team playing to get their coach fired. I just think they kind of suck.

I hope Huberdeau is embarrassed when he looks at his pay stub. He isn’t even worth what he’s making now, let alone $10.5 next year. Woof.

[rohara66]

Originally Posted by AFireInside

A lot of players floating around waiting for things to happen instead of trying to make things happen.

This is exactly what it looks like. Lots of standing/gliding/nothing.

It’s very evident on the PP.

[troutman]

Two expansion teams have brighter futures, and Tre has saddled us with albatross contracts and traded a first to lose Monahan.

Merry Christmas!

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

That first loss of the season against the Oilers changed everything. They looked so good to start the season. One loss to the Oilers and Sutter blows up everything and things haven't been the same since. Chemistry is a big thing, if you have it, keep it.

Now he's chasing to get that team that started the season back again. I like Sutter, but this has been a really, really rough year for him.

I think the whole 5-1 to start the year and beginning to find chemistry before everything was changed narrative is wildly overblown.

Flames got the bounces in those first 6 games. They ran into a bunch of struggling teams during that stretch. Kadri was hot. So was Andersson.

Since then, this team is 8-11-6. I just don't buy the idea that everything would have been fine if the lines stayed the same following the 6th game. The Huby-Lindy-Toffoli line has had a ton of games together since then to get things clicking, but haven't really shown that they can generate consistent offense.

Maybe what we're seeing now is the real Flames. Maybe it isn't. Impossible to know what this team really is after what we've seen from these guys over the past 5 games (especially the last 2). Beatable opponents, yet unable to find ways to win.

All hope is not lost, but the situation is getting increasingly urgent. If the team is still not in a playoff spot by the midpoint of the season, a big change or two might be required to shake things up...

[TheScorpion]

can't get over that they benched Ruzicka to double-shift Lucic. in what world does that make any sense

[Ferarri]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

can't get over that they benched Ruzicka to double-shift Lucic. in what world does that make any sense

And it’s not like Lucic was having an incredible outing that warranted additional minutes in the third. Millen even said on air how ineffective the 4th line had been. So the answer is to play Lucic more. Makes no sense.

[Yikes]

Originally Posted by troutman

Two expansion teams have brighter futures, and Tre has saddled us with albatross contracts and traded a first to lose Monahan.

Merry Christmas!

The Monahan trade was smart, at any time his career could be over to injury. With his history of surgeries I was actually shocked a team took him/his contract on. The only albatross contract is the coaches extension.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

can't get over that they benched Ruzicka to double-shift Lucic. in what world does that make any sense

team punishment, or whatever

[N-E-B]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

can't get over that they benched Ruzicka to double-shift Lucic. in what world does that make any sense

Sometimes I think Sutter never left 2014