[Rumour] Weegar doesn’t want to negotiate during season: Friedman

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

So this means he wants to play for Columbus?

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

You don't blame the GM for the player not signing. You blame the GM for not turning an asset that has indicated he's not willing to negotiate any further into something that addresses the long-term needs of the team. If a player doesn't want to sign with you for the best offer you have on the table the only control mechanism you have left is to trade the player for assets you continue to have control over.

But having the player for a year is an asset. Either the team is going for it or they aren’t. I think it is obvious to everyone that they are going for it for the next say 3 years. Given that context trading a player because they won’t play beyond the year is horrible management. Weakening a contending team for 1/3 of their contending window for futures is moronic, and shows a complete lack of direction. Where the Flames are at in their cycle 1 year of Weegar is much more valuable than a bunch of picks/prospects.

[Kasi]

Some people here just don’t want to compete, they want to be Buffalo where they can dream of one day competing. Of course we can see how well that is working for them. Maybe they’ll compete the next time they offload a top player for prospects. It certainly hasn’t worked for them so far. (Even with the Eichel trade they’re not going to get anywhere out east)

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

So this means he wants to play for Columbus?

Makes sense. If Gudbranson is worth 4x4, Weegar must be thinking he's worth 40x40.

[DJones]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Gaudreau's value before the season started last year was likely at an all time low.

Make no mistake, the GM and ownership would have discussed the possibility of trading him at that time and they would have looked at the likely return.

If Johnny had been traded, the liklihood is that Calgary would have been closer to a bubble team than a contender.

Or we would have used the cap space. We just lost both of them and I think we're fine. Having some firsts and prospects would be nice right now.

[Paulie Walnuts]

What was the point of going through all that trouble, getting Huberdeau extended making a complicated deal with Montreal so we can sign Kadri, to all of a sudden decide to send Weegar packing because he hasn't signed?

We are clearly trying to compete and win a Stanley Cup, and Weegar is the best asset we have at 3.25 million. Unless some team is willing to trade us a similar player at the same cap hit signed beyond this season Weegar is staying, even if he is unsigned. It is not poor asset management at all.

We haven't even played a game yet, but its already time to plan for the future and rebuild.

[Flamesfan05]

Flames gave Huberdeau his market value and more. There is no reason for Weegar to take a discount. Pay him or trade him or lose him after this year

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by VilleN

But having the player for a year is an asset. Either the team is going for it or they aren’t. I think it is obvious to everyone that they are going for it for the next say 3 years. Given that context trading a player because they won’t play beyond the year is horrible management. Weakening a contending team for 1/3 of their contending window for futures is moronic, and shows a complete lack of direction. Where the Flames are at in their cycle 1 year of Weegar is much more valuable than a bunch of picks/prospects.

First, you have to believe this is a team that is a contender. There is a difference in being a team with playoff potential and being a contender for the Stanley Cup. Are the Flames that? I don't think anyone knows that because of the turnover. On paper we still have a gaping hole on the starboard side that needs to be filled and then some proof of chemistry between players. Still a lot to be proved there.

Second you have to believe that the team is willing to roll the dice year-to-year. I don't believe any successful team has done that. There is a buildup that takes place and the team make the investments at that time. Ironically, we just saw the end of that buildup and an exodus of the players from that group, along with the assets to support them. The load was blown, then re-blown to squeeze in Huberdeau, Weegar, and Kadri. It would be dumb to let any of them walk for nothing considering the investment to get them.

I believe Treliving is going to sign him. He pretty much has to or this becomes a distraction. If he does it provides all sorts of options moving forward that he would not have at his disposal. Treliving was backed into a corner and is not going to get played again. If he does, he's fool, which I think he proved he is not. If Weegar doesn't sign he'll be dealt. The Flames are not going to let this window they hopefully just re-opened snap shut on them again with another high-profile loss at a key position without being able to backfill it.

[Kasi]

But they can refill it. If they don’t sign Weegar they have cap space and can use it on someone else. For example if the flames could have had that in the past they wouldn’t have had to be give Montreal a first round pick to get the cap space to sign Kadri they just could have signed Kadri which would have left them stronger off for the future.

For a team trying to win the next three years with Kadri and Huberdeau in their primes no young pick or prospect is really worth it. By the time they’re good the others won’t be. So for next year cap space to sign a FA is quite a bit more valuable than a pick. Now sure if you can trade Weegar for a controllable player who can help them now then sure but I don’t see much being available that works with the cap space Weegar frees up.

For me the importance of helping the team is in this order.
1. Resigning Weegar
2. Trading Weegar for someone as good as him that is controlled. However given cap and all I have no idea who this player could be. This might not even be an option.
3. Cap space next year when Weegar leaves as a FA.
…
4. Trading Weegar for futures. (Who cares by the time they’re good the rest of the team won’t be)

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

First, you have to believe this is a team that is a contender. There is a difference in being a team with playoff potential and being a contender for the Stanley Cup. Are the Flames that? I don't think anyone knows that because of the turnover. On paper we still have a gaping hole on the starboard side that needs to be filled and then some proof of chemistry between players. Still a lot to be proved there.

Second you have to believe that the team is willing to roll the dice year-to-year. I don't believe any successful team has done that. There is a buildup that takes place and the team make the investments at that time. Ironically, we just saw the end of that buildup and an exodus of the players from that group, along with the assets to support them. The load was blown, then re-blown to squeeze in Huberdeau, Weegar, and Kadri. It would be dumb to let any of them walk for nothing considering the investment to get them.

I believe Treliving is going to sign him. He pretty much has to or this becomes a distraction. If he does it provides all sorts of options moving forward that he would not have at his disposal. Treliving was backed into a corner and is not going to get played again. If he does, he's fool, which I think he proved he is not. If Weegar doesn't sign he'll be dealt. The Flames are not going to let this window they hopefully just re-opened snap shut on them again with another high-profile loss at a key position without being able to backfill it.

If Treliving truly believes this team's window is the next few years, then he's going to do everything he can to win now each year. He's not trading Weegar away at the deadline if the Flames are securely in a playoff spot. That's just kyboshing your own season (potentially 1/3rd of your window to win) for what? Futures? If he loses Weegar as a UFA after another playoff run, then so be it. I'm sure he can fill that spot with another UFA signing at that point.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

First, you have to believe this is a team that is a contender. There is a difference in being a team with playoff potential and being a contender for the Stanley Cup. Are the Flames that? I don't think anyone knows that because of the turnover. On paper we still have a gaping hole on the starboard side that needs to be filled and then some proof of chemistry between players. Still a lot to be proved there.

Second you have to believe that the team is willing to roll the dice year-to-year. I don't believe any successful team has done that. There is a buildup that takes place and the team make the investments at that time. Ironically, we just saw the end of that buildup and an exodus of the players from that group, along with the assets to support them. The load was blown, then re-blown to squeeze in Huberdeau, Weegar, and Kadri. It would be dumb to let any of them walk for nothing considering the investment to get them.

I believe Treliving is going to sign him. He pretty much has to or this becomes a distraction. If he does it provides all sorts of options moving forward that he would not have at his disposal. Treliving was backed into a corner and is not going to get played again. If he does, he's fool, which I think he proved he is not. If Weegar doesn't sign he'll be dealt. The Flames are not going to let this window they hopefully just re-opened snap shut on them again with another high-profile loss at a key position without being able to backfill it.

I think Tre will sign him. However, if he can’t trading him makes no sense. You want to wallow in mediocrity? Trading Weegar for futures is exactly how you do it. Every year of our window Tre will try and ice the best team. If that means playing the year with an unsigned Weegar, that’s what he’ll do. And if Weegar bolts in the offseason he’ll use the cap space to improve the team for the next season. Who the hell wants picks and prospects right now? Love it or hate it, we’re in our contention window and trading Weegar for futures weakens our position.

[Cycling76er]

Originally Posted by btimbit

Some people don't venture into mega threads like that because it's mostly arguing.

This simply isn't true. It's also ridiculous trade proposals and a fancy stats flex-a-thon.

[genetic_phreek]

Tre probably waiting to trade a dman to start the season before a deal is finalized.

[shutout]

Originally Posted by VilleN

But having the player for a year is an asset. Either the team is going for it or they aren’t. I think it is obvious to everyone that they are going for it for the next say 3 years. Given that context trading a player because they won’t play beyond the year is horrible management. Weakening a contending team for 1/3 of their contending window for futures is moronic, and shows a complete lack of direction. Where the Flames are at in their cycle 1 year of Weegar is much more valuable than a bunch of picks/prospects.

Why does he have to be traded for picks/prospects?
If we are looking for RW help why would we not get that than futures?
Winger depth is the easiest to do without so there will be teams that have a top six winger with controllable term that would swap him for Weegar.
Take the controllable asset that will help now and in the long term rather than just losing an asset for nothing.

Once teams see what they have at the end of camp there will be a push to shuffle and fill holes. If Weegar is not signed by then he should be traded to a team that needs defensive help and can afford to give up quality on the wing.

[Kasi]

Because of the cap issues. We have like what one million free? Weegar is like just over 3 million cap. Good luck finding a player as impactful as him for 3.5 million who also isn’t a pending FA. But then people are like oh yeah let’s bundle Dube or Valimaki with him and get a 5+ million dollar player! But you now have to find cap to pay the player for shortening your bench and this is not EA NHL where you can trade multiple lesser players for one great one.

[Finger Cookin]

Have we decided if we love Weegar still or if he's the biggest traitor in human history yet? Too soon? Maybe we can litigate this for 18 months if we're lucky.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Finger Cookin

Have we decided if we love Weegar still or if he's the biggest traitor in human history yet? Too soon? Maybe we can litigate this for 18 months if we're lucky.

Don’t you think you’re getting ahead of yourself here? We don’t even know his wife’s name or profession yet.

[CsInMyBlood]

I predict Weegar will be signed and Hanifin will be dealt either during the season or in the summer. I think Hanifin should have been traded this off season while he still has 2 years under contract and coming off a big 48 point season. Value is high.

I just dont foresee Hanifin having another year like the last.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Kasi

Because of the cap issues. We have like what one million free? Weegar is like just over 3 million cap. Good luck finding a player as impactful as him for 3.5 million who also isn’t a pending FA. But then people are like oh yeah let’s bundle Dube or Valimaki with him and get a 5+ million dollar player! But you now have to find cap to pay the player for shortening your bench and this is not EA NHL where you can trade multiple lesser players for one great one.

Team can take back salary to make the cap work.

Weegar is good enough for teams to do that but my guess is he has to agree to an extension for the Flames to get full value

[Paulie Walnuts]

Any team that would trade us a roster player with term left will want assurances that Weegar is going to sign. Pending UFAs don't usually get traded for players signed to multi year contacts you are getting futures back.

If Weegar doesn't sign here I don't think he signs anywhere he's traded too either.