Should we be worried about Kadris age

[kyuss275]

Don’t care about age . Just win one cup

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I just saw on TSN the Flames are the 4th oldest team in the league.

odd they know who's on the team before management does

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by memphusk

Yep. Contract will age bad, but the thing everyone is excited about is that the cap is going up sooner than later. If they win a cup.in the next 3 years though it does not matter. Make it count boys.

But, does it make sense to worry about Kadri's age and his contract now? What good does that do?

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[dino7c]

30 year old players now are in better shape than 30 year old players 5-10+ years ago

I wouldn't be shocked if we see more of the higher end players playing well longer in the future. Kadri also isn't a guy who has played 22 mins a night since he was 18.

[codynw]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Unless he is special, 3 good years is probably what he has left

I keep seeing this (or similar) when talking about Kadri, but I don't get why. Lots of players remain productive after 35. If guys like Stastny and Pavelski can do it (and those are just current examples), why can't Kadri? Sure, he'll decline, everyone does. But why are we automatically assuming he'll be a buyout worthy plug in 4 years?

[gvitaly]

I don’t get why we should worry about any player’s age. Kadri is here to stay for the duration of that contract. He fits this team’s 2-4 year window. Hopefully he will play like an $8M player for the first couple of years.

Will he become slower as he ages? definitely, but he might still be an effective player. Anyways, there’s no point in worrying about something you can’t change or affect in any way.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Cole436

This is really only a 5 year contract, as the last two years are designed for a buyout. I’m not worried about his production for the next 3-4 years and then if we need to, he’s a 2.3M buyout.

Yep, perfectly designed contract on Treliving's part. To be able to sign a star centre over 30 years old and get a 2.3mil buyout in the final two years is an insane feat relative to most star contracts these days that are mostly buy out proof.

2.3mil AAV in two years that we'll likley be in a rebuild is virtually nothing. So it's basically a 5 year contract.

[tkflames]

Worried is the wrong word. The team strategy is win now and this aligns. After the win now window this team needs to rebuild...and this likewise aligns.

However, our window is open as long as Kadri is a star Top 5 second line center. If he hits a wall next year or they year after, the window is over in my opinion.

If he is able to be a top 5 second line center for 3+ years, the dependency may drop because his contract will be dampened by the cap increases and buyout cost.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Possibly be concerned about his age? I would be more concerned about his style of play as it leads to injuries. That's where I think we may see negative outcomes. Kadri may spend more time on IR as he ages.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by tkflames

Worried is the wrong word. The team strategy is win now and this aligns. After the win now window this team needs to rebuild...and this likewise aligns.

However, our window is open as long as Kadri is a star Top 5 second line center. If he hits a wall next year or they year after, the window is over in my opinion.

If he is able to be a top 5 second line center for 3+ years, the dependency may drop because his contract will be dampened by the cap increases and buyout cost.

With a big salary cap bump I could see his current salary lining up nicely with what Backlund has been making the last few years. IMO if he regresses to a 3rd line center in 2 years as long as he is a top end 3rd line center he will be our Backlund for a couple years. I don't think this team needs him to stay at that level to keep the window open. But this team will need to draft and develop some very good talent over the next 4 years to keep it going

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

With a big salary cap bump I could see his current salary lining up nicely with what Backlund has been making the last few years. IMO if he regresses to a 3rd line center in 2 years as long as he is a top end 3rd line center he will be our Backlund for a couple years. I don't think this team needs him to stay at that level to keep the window open. But this team will need to draft and develop some very good talent over the next 4 years to keep it going

It is so hard to project even more than a year into the future. Two years ago the Flames's top two centres were Sean Monahan and Mikael Backlund,their best defenceman was Mark Giordano, and Mike Smith was their starting goalie.

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[Bourque's Twin]

I think the last 2-3 years of the contract will be negative value, but that's the way it goes if you want to sign these types of players. There's no reason to get upset because there's no choice.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Bourque's Twin

I think the last 2-3 years of the contract will be negative value, but that's the way it goes if you want to sign these types of players. There's no reason to get upset because there's no choice.

It could be negative value for u to 4 years IMO. But by how much?

We have Lucic who is about $3 to $4 mil over paid but have a bunch of guys under paid too. As the cap goes up some of these low level ELC's are so valuable. Drafting good players outside of the top 10 players in the draft is so valuable as they just don't make much and don't get huge bonuses and quite often get better 2nd contracts that top drafted players

Mangiapane vs Puljujarvi as an example

Mangiapane is 2 years older and has the same amount of career games and took a 35 goal season to finally get paid. His previous contracts were a steal

Puljujarvi makes 3 mil on a 30+ point season. His draft position contributes to his contract IMO. Bennett got more than Mangiapane as well early in his career proving far less than Mangiapane did early on

Kadri might have negative value even in 2 years but $1 mil overpaid can be managed. As long as he plays close to his deal this team will be fine if they draft well

[Flaming Horse]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

But, does it make sense to worry about Kadri's age and his contract now? What good does that do?

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because he is already 32 and could have a big drop-off in his first year that is why.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Flaming Horse

because he is already 32 and could have a big drop-off in his first year that is why.

But he could drop off and still be slightly overpaid. It's not like he is going to play like a league minimum player?

There are tons of $7 mil players who are worse than Kadri by quite a bit