Emergency Alert for Dangerous Persons

[metallicat]

So where is it coming from that the death toll is closer to 20? Anything official on that? Because I’m not seeing it anywhere.

[Bankai]

Looks like one of them was found dead from non self inflicted wounds. The other may potentially be injured.

[Yamer]

Updates:

Damien is deceased. Found near where it started. Wounds do not appear self-inflicted.

Myles still being pursued.

11 now confirmed deceased.

[Acey]

Originally Posted by Locke

I'd say they're likely to get fired but this is Canada, they'll likely be asked politely not to do that again.

I also like the fact that even if they find 100 more bodies, these guys are still up for parole in 25 years because life in prison is "cruel and unusual" in Canada. I love it here.

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by Acey

I also like the fact that even if they find 100 more bodies, these guys are still up for parole in 25 years because life in prison is "cruel and unusual" in Canada. I love it here.

Doesn't mean they are going to get it.

I still prefer to live in a society where the primary focus regarding justice is rehabilitative.

[Acey]

The primary focus being on short-term rehabilitation is the only reason he was out and free to commit a mass murder in the first place, but there's always a tradeoff.

[Kybosh]

Originally Posted by metallicat

So where is it coming from that the death toll is closer to 20? Anything official on that? Because I’m not seeing it anywhere.

Local farmer hearsay. Nothing confirmed.

[Acey]

If they say the dead one's injuries do not appear to be self-inflicted, but they haven't said he was killed by police, are we to assume the other brother may have killed him?

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by Acey

If they say the dead one's injuries do not appear to be self-inflicted, but they haven't said he was killed by police, are we to assume the other brother may have killed him?

Possibly. Or he succumbed to wounds from someone fighting back.

They mentioned he was found in a wooded area near the initial site.

[djsFlames]

I'm suspecting someone fought back and he succumbed to wounds over the following hours. Even in Canada I don't think you can go trying to stab that many people without somebody reacting effectively and turning the knife (or theirs) on you at least once.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

I'm suspecting someone fought back and he succumbed to wounds over the following hours. Even in Canada I don't think you can go trying to stab that many people without somebody reacting effectively and turning the knife (or theirs) on you at least once.

Definitely a possibility although I could also see Myles turning on Damien as things started to go down if Damien expressed some concerns about the plan or situation. Things could have gotten out of control, Damien opposed something, Myles killed him. We may never know though.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Yamer

Doesn't mean they are going to get it.

I still prefer to live in a society where the primary focus regarding justice is rehabilitative.

Sure but some people can't be or won't be rehabilitated. We've seen cases of people that get out on parole and continue where they left off, and even one case of this is to me a pretty massive mistake.

I don't think when it comes to parole we can go in with the belief that everyone will do the right thing if we let them go. .

I think that there needs be be more stringent review processes.

[Mull]

I am as big of a softy on crime as they come and I don't think this guy should be let out into society ever again (assuming they catch him alive.... big IF here).

It's not even about punishment- its how can the public trust him to not kill again?

I think I am still hurt by this- I don’t know anyone impacted (as far as I currently know) but it has impacted me and can't think rationally about it.

[AltaGuy]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Sure but some people can't be or won't be rehabilitated. We've seen cases of people that get out on parole and continue where they left off, and even one case of this is to me a pretty massive mistake.

I don't think when it comes to parole we can go in with the belief that everyone will do the right thing if we let them go. .

I think that there needs be be more stringent review processes.

Canada's parole system has been very successful iirc.

https://www.canada.ca/en/parole-boar...ic-safety.html

And the whole point of parole is to have a form of gradual lessening of restrictions and reintegration with supervision rather than dumping people back into society at the end of a fixed sentence.

At any rate, clearly this loser was lost to the system, but it's atypical and shouldn't be too broadly interpreted imo.

[Just a guy]

Rehabilitation yes, but when does that ticket get cancelled? How many chances does one person get to cause havoc in other people’s lives. There needs to be a quid pro quote here. We will give you the opportunity, but if you do not repay it by reintegrating into society, then there has to be escalation.

My opinion.

[Acey]

Originally Posted by Just a guy

Rehabilitation yes, but when does that ticket get cancelled? How many chances does one person get to cause havoc in other people’s lives. There needs to be a quid pro quote here. We will give you the opportunity, but if you do not repay it by reintegrating into society, then there has to be escalation.



My opinion.

All I can personally do is hope that they're both dead. I've been on this board a long time and I'm borderline shocked that life in prison for heinous crimes is considered an irrational position, especially on a board that previously did not seem brain broken by the left.

If I took a stroll on a street downtown tomorrow asking people if this guy should get life in prison without parole, how many people would say no? Less than zero.

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by Just a guy

Rehabilitation yes, but when does that ticket get cancelled? How many chances does one person get to cause havoc in other people’s lives. There needs to be a quid pro quote here. We will give you the opportunity, but if you do not repay it by reintegrating into society, then there has to be escalation.

My opinion.

That's essentially the system we have.

I would rather there be the option for reintegration. Regardless.

[Matt Reeeeead]

Way too early to talk about reintegration. These are a series of calculated, cold blooded murders. I’m all for understanding the full story, but this one may be beyond resolve.


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[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by Matt Reeeeead

Way too early to talk about reintegration. These are a series of calculated, cold blooded murders. I’m all for understanding the full story, but this one may be beyond resolve.


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Yeah, I think the first time you promise to reintegrate to society to get out early we are giving you trust. When you abuse that trust BY MURDERING 11 PEOPLE the bar for earning it back should be pretty high.

[Northendzone]

Hopefully the police can figure out what drove these brothers to do this/ a motive.

I’d have to think that all those directly impacted would be frustrated if there is no rationale or all this