Noah Hanifin

[GS Skier]

I never fall in love with players although sure value them like anyone else.

Haffin as a trade chip???

His skating style may be smooth like Bouwmeester but he's not nearly as fast. (Kjillington can get back and cover like Bouwmeester!).

Regardless of whether he'll win a Norris, he and Anderson were clearly ranked top 3 in the league as a pairing all season long. Weegar may well turn out to be top pair how ever with 32 teams and 192 D pairings when your guys were ranked 3rd and played that well and you want to trade them just because we may well with Weegar and Tanev have 2 legit top pairs?

I won't trade Haffin and doubt he's in Sutters dog house but who knows. At least until not until much later in the season when we've seen Weegar and seen what injuries are happening.

[redforever]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Similar points to Gio all those years. So obviously Gio was a crap Dman as well.
I’d say the fact that Jaybo went from the Flames to the Blues and immediately had success (despite still not scoring) says more about the Flames than him.

Your post is an example of what I was saying. You think to earn his salary he had to be a big points guy. He never was. Yet he was a Olympic gold medalist and a Stanley cup winner. He was also an All Star while on the Flames.

B Sutter left his mark on many players.

[AC]

^ Hanifin gets his named butchered pretty consistently but 'Haffin' is a new one!

'Kjillington' too!

[Jore]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Similar points to Gio all those years. So obviously Gio was a crap Dman as well.
I’d say the fact that Jaybo went from the Flames to the Blues and immediately had success (despite still not scoring) says more about the Flames than him.

Your post is an example of what I was saying. You think to earn his salary he had to be a big points guy. He never was. Yet he was a Olympic gold medalist and a Stanley cup winner. He was also an All Star while on the Flames.

Bouwmeester was among the bottom of the team in goal share and in goals against/60 pretty much every year that he was on the Flames. Gio wasn't.

Bouwmeester was making the equivalent of a 2022 9.7 mil AAV contract. Gio wasn't. I liked Bouwmeester, but you want more from your leaders than what Bouwmeester provided.

Was he miscast as The Guy? No doubt. Was he misused by B Sutter? Certainly. Clearly there was also general roster building and organizational dysfunction. Still, his tenure as a Flame was not successful any way you slice it.

In any case, Bouwmeester is a good for comparable for Hanifin. Both are good at skating, make the safe, high percentage play about 90% of the time, provide relatively solid in-zone defense. Neither are particularly assertive or will take over a game. I do think Bouwmeester is better under pressure. Both would be about a number 3-4 on a championship caliber team.

[dino7c]

Jaybo wasn't good enough for Flames fans...was in Canada's top six a year later.

A lesson to those who talk bad about Hanifin because he got walked by McDavid. (Like every other player in the league)

[CGY12]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Jaybo wasn't good enough for Flames fans...was in Canada's top six a year later.

A lesson to those who talk bad about Hanifin because he got walked by McDavid. (Like every other player in the league)

If we want to go to places we desire we can't have guys get "walked" by McDavid, regardless of whether he does it to other teams or not. He certainly didn't do it against the Avs. You are not going to shut him down but giving up 15 points to him in 5 games isn't acceptable. I'm not solely singling out Hanifin either.

I'm happy we have Weegar and I think he will be solid should he be matched up with Mcdavid should we play them in the playoffs again.

I'm of the mindset if you can get a legit top 6 RW, who is of similar age, to shore up that side of the ice, I would move him. Doesn't mean I don't think hes a good player but I think with Weegar now (hopefully resigned), he is our best trade chip.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by CGY12

If we want to go to places we desire we can't have guys get "walked" by McDavid, regardless of whether he does it to other teams or not. He certainly didn't do it against the Avs. You are not going to shut him down but giving up 15 points to him in 5 games isn't acceptable. I'm not solely singling out Hanifin either.

I'm happy we have Weegar and I think he will be solid should he be matched up with Mcdavid should we play them in the playoffs again.

I'm of the mindset if you can get a legit top 6 RW, who is of similar age, to shore up that side of the ice, I would move him. Doesn't mean I don't think hes a good player but I think with Weegar now (hopefully resigned), he is our best trade chip.

Well that was more goaltending and firewagon hockey as anything Hanifin did...McDavid scored 7 points in 4 games against the Avs they didn't exactly shut him down either.

I would trade him too if the Flames improve in the deal, I would trade any player if it improves the team.

[CGY12]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Well that was more goaltending and firewagon hockey as anything Hanifin did...McDavid scored 7 points in 4 games against the Avs they didn't exactly shut him down either.

I would trade him too if the Flames improve in the deal, I would trade any player if it improves the team.

Agreed goaltending wasn't strong factor in that result and the forwards propensity to turn the puck over in terrible spots on the ice, but the D looked mesmerized and star struck often. Hanifin had a terrible series, along side many others. At the end of the day more than anything else, the mindset going into difficult games needs to change and I think with the change in core we will see that this year.

Also I stated you're not going to shut McDavid down but you can't let him go bananas. The Avs certainly did that, the Flames did not.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by CGY12

Agreed goaltending wasn't strong factor in that result and the forwards propensity to turn the puck over in terrible spots on the ice, but the D looked mesmerized and star struck often. Hanifin had a terrible series, along side many others. At the end of the day more than anything else, the mindset going into difficult games needs to change and I think with the change in core we will see that this year.

Also I stated you're not going to shut McDavid down but you can't let him go bananas. The Avs certainly did that, the Flames did not.

Just saying, Avs were far and away the best team in the NHL and they let him have two 3 point games in a 4 game series

held him off the board in one game

[CGY12]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Just saying, Avs were far and away the best team in the NHL and they let him have two 3 point games in a 4 game series

held him off the board in one game

Which I understand but 7 in 4 vs 15 in 5 is very very different. You aren't going to shut him down but for anyone who watched both series, McDavids level of impact was different in both series. If the Flames gave up 7 in the first 4 vs 13, the series isn't 3 1 Oilers.

[Gemnoble]

Originally Posted by AC

^ Hanifin gets his named butchered pretty consistently but 'Haffin' is a new one!

'Kjillington' too!

How does a Ky turn into a "Sh" sound. How is Kylington pronounced Shillington.

Why are hockey names?

[Enoch Root]

Hanifin had a tough series. No question. However, there are other factors here that influenced that a great deal:

1) Kylington-Tanev, the other shut down pair, was completely absent, effectively doubling the responsibilities for Hanifin-Andersson

2) the forwards played terribly defensively, allowing McDavid to gain possession and full speed from the neutral zone, effectively leaving the defensemen hung out to dry. And that happened a LOT - far too often - and because Hanifin-Andersson were out there for most of the tough assignments, they wore the brunt of that.

3) Markstrom had a tough series, and when the D were beaten, the puck wound up in the net more often than not. Defensemen get beat regularly, that's part of hockey - that's why you need good goaltending.

Just saying 'Hanifin had a bad series, he can't handle McDavid' is over simplistic at best, if not wildly naive.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Gemnoble

How does a Ky turn into a "Sh" sound. How is Kylington pronounced Shillington.



Why are hockey names?

It's a Nordic thing. In Nordic languages—Swedish, Danish and Norwegian—the letter "K" is often pronounced with a soft-"S" sound, "sh."

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[Jore]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Jaybo wasn't good enough for Flames fans...was in Canada's top six a year later.

A lesson to those who talk bad about Hanifin because he got walked by McDavid. (Like every other player in the league)

Dan Hamhuis was also in Canada's top 6. Was he better than Giordano? Was Kunitz better than Giroux? Either way, Bouwmeester being on the Olympic team had little to do with his performance in Calgary.

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Hanifin had a tough series. No question. However, there are other factors here that influenced that a great deal:

2) the forwards played terribly defensively, allowing McDavid to gain possession and full speed from the neutral zone, effectively leaving the defensemen hung out to dry. And that happened a LOT - far too often - and because Hanifin-Andersson were out there for most of the tough assignments, they wore the brunt of that.

3) Markstrom had a tough series, and when the D were beaten, the puck wound up in the net more often than not. Defensemen get beat regularly, that's part of hockey - that's why you need good goaltending.

If this were true, wouldn't this also mean that Kylington-Tanev, when they did draw in, would also be underwater and bleeding chances and goals? Presumably Markstrom and the forwards would be equally bad for all defenders.

Instead, Kylington-Tanev, both clearly injured, got 34:40 minutes of 5 on 5 ice time against the Oilers' top competition and gave up 0 goals while scoring 3. Hanifin-Andersson got 69:40 and gave up 9 while scoring 2.

I'm not a math genius, but those rates seem pretty stark.

Just saying 'Hanifin had a bad series, he can't handle McDavid' is over simplistic at best, if not wildly naive.

He did have a bad series. He can't handle McDavid. Those are the facts we should start from.

[transplant99]

nm....just to stupid an argument to even reply.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by GS Skier

I never fall in love with players although sure value them like anyone else.

Haffin as a trade chip???

His skating style may be smooth like Bouwmeester but he's not nearly as fast. (Kjillington can get back and cover like Bouwmeester!).

Regardless of whether he'll win a Norris, he and Anderson were clearly ranked top 3 in the league as a pairing all season long. Weegar may well turn out to be top pair how ever with 32 teams and 192 D pairings when your guys were ranked 3rd and played that well and you want to trade them just because we may well with Weegar and Tanev have 2 legit top pairs?

I won't trade Haffin and doubt he's in Sutters dog house but who knows. At least until not until much later in the season when we've seen Weegar and seen what injuries are happening.

Found the Starbucks Barista

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Found the Starbucks Barista

Friend of mine at work named Jessica got “Cheska” on her cup. We promptly changed the nameplate in her door to match.

[alan21]

That Norris trophy, he be Haffin' it.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by GS Skier

I never fall in love with players although sure value them like anyone else.

Haffin as a trade chip???

His skating style may be smooth like Bouwmeester but he's not nearly as fast. (Kjillington can get back and cover like Bouwmeester!).

Regardless of whether he'll win a Norris, he and Anderson were clearly ranked top 3 in the league as a pairing all season long. Weegar may well turn out to be top pair how ever with 32 teams and 192 D pairings when your guys were ranked 3rd and played that well and you want to trade them just because we may well with Weegar and Tanev have 2 legit top pairs?

I won't trade Haffin and doubt he's in Sutters dog house but who knows. At least until not until much later in the season when we've seen Weegar and seen what injuries are happening.

Staying on your feet is kind of important when it come to skating.

My goodness OK falls down a lot.

[GioforPM]

I think Hanifin’s speed is pretty darn close to Jaybo. Anyway trading him because Weegar is here seems counterproductive, especially if it’s to make room for a RW.