Johnny Burn anyone?

[Poison]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

People have to stop taking his decision personally. He wanted a change. He was with the Flames for a decade and I can't recall the last time I stayed on one thing for a decade.

Don't get me wrong, this really sucks for the team going forward, but it isn't JG's job to make sure the franchise is set up. He fulfilled 2 contracts and wanted to try something new. It's sad, but I don't think it was malicious.

Blame management if anything for not being able to connect the dots earlier or burying their heads in the sand.

I absolutely hate that narrative. Its managements fault when he says he wants to be here, waits until the 11th hour to say he doesnt and then picks a location that he takes less money and is not a contender.
I blame Tree 0% on this. Gave the most dollars and term, probably to our detriment, and he takes the blame for this?
Anyone who says we should have traded him a year before is so fantastically out of their mind on the fact they didnt care about our playoffs last season, or that what we got back made us a better team. This is all on Johnny, John, Gyppy or whatever u want to call him.

[littlereddevil]

Originally Posted by Rtown

And we wonder why players don’t wanna sign here

I highly doubt NHL players are checking a random internet forum. For their mental health's sake they've probably been told to strictly avoid spending too much time on social media and fan forums.

And if you think our fanbase is harsh, wait until you hear what happens in even more hockey mad cities like Toronto, Montreal, Boston or New York.

[Jordan!]

I found find it hilarious to see like 30 flames fans gathered burning #13 jerseys all chanting "go flames go" in unison

[GreenLantern2814]

4 pages in and the OP has 0 thanks.

Sometimes the greatest way to say something is to say nothing at all.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Poison

I absolutely hate that narrative. Its managements fault when he says he wants to be here, waits until the 11th hour to say he doesnt and then picks a location that he takes less money and is not a contender.
I blame Tree 0% on this. Gave the most dollars and term, probably to our detriment, and he takes the blame for this?
Anyone who says we should have traded him a year before is so fantastically out of their mind on the fact they didnt care about our playoffs last season, or that what we got back made us a better team. This is all on Johnny, John, Gyppy or whatever u want to call him.

Yes it is. It’s management’s job to realize that if he hasn’t extended by a certain time, he’s not likely to change his mind.

[TorqueDog]

Just change the name bar, you nitwit.

[Wastedyouth]

Grow up

[gvitaly]

[Poison]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

Grow up

Cool. F off

[VANFLAMESFAN]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Yes it is. It’s management’s job to realize that if he hasn’t extended by a certain time, he’s not likely to change his mind.

They're not mind readers and lots of players have taken their time only to resign with their team either at the last minute or hell even after free agency opens. Look no further than Landeskog last year.

[Muta]

The irony of burning a Flames jersey.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Poison

I absolutely hate that narrative. Its managements fault when he says he wants to be here, waits until the 11th hour to say he doesnt and then picks a location that he takes less money and is not a contender.
I blame Tree 0% on this. Gave the most dollars and term, probably to our detriment, and he takes the blame for this?
Anyone who says we should have traded him a year before is so fantastically out of their mind on the fact they didnt care about our playoffs last season, or that what we got back made us a better team. This is all on Johnny, John, Gyppy or whatever u want to call him.

No one knew he was offering the most money until it was no longer relevant.

Originally Posted by VANFLAMESFAN

They're not mind readers and lots of players have taken their time only to resign with their team either at the last minute or hell even after free agency opens. Look no further than Landeskog last year.

A lot of fans connected the dots a long time ago and saw JG as a likely flight risk. I think management became too enamored and didn't do what was best for the team in the long run. Maybe Johnny fooled them, but regardless, they were fools then. But hey, we got one last good regular season out of him, so hopefully it was worth it. Should have traded him after last season at the latest.

A team like Calgary just can't afford to go into the final year of a contract with their best players, with no extension agreement (or even ongoing discussions!). It is even worse when that player is American and has hinted in the past about leaving. So yeah, Treliving dropped the ball bad here. Small market teams have to manage their assets more proactively.

And I know we should all be mad at Columbus, but they are actually very similar. Smaller market team, not a great climate, no winning history, recently lost their best players to free agency. They have had to be proactive about trading players who are flight risks and focus a lot on homegrown players (I think something like 8 or 9 of their players are American, and like 4 of those are from the Columbus/Ohio area). Flames management has shown a lot of hubris in recent years and forgetting that they need to operate a little more conservatively in order to have success. Failing to foresee Johnny leaving is on them 100%.

[Poison]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

No one knew he was offering the most money until it was no longer relevant.

A lot of fans connected the dots a long time ago and saw JG as a likely flight risk. I think management became too enamored and didn't do what was best for the team in the long run. Maybe Johnny fooled them, but regardless, they were fools then. But hey, we got one last good regular season out of him, so hopefully it was worth it. Should have traded him after last season at the latest.

A team like Calgary just can't afford to go into the final year of a contract with their best players, with no extension agreement (or even ongoing discussions!). It is even worse when that player is American and has hinted in the past about leaving. So yeah, Treliving dropped the ball bad here. Small market teams have to manage their assets more proactively.

And I know we should all be mad at Columbus, but they are actually very similar. Smaller market team, not a great climate, no winning history, recently lost their best players to free agency. They have had to be proactive about trading players who are flight risks and focus a lot on homegrown players (I think something like 8 or 9 of their players are American, and like 4 of those are from the Columbus/Ohio area). Flames management has shown a lot of hubris in recent years and forgetting that they need to operate a little more conservatively in order to have success. Failing to foresee Johnny leaving is on them 100%.

Tree dropped the ball by icing the best team possible for the fans?
So just keep being a mind reader Brad and if that means being a middling team so be it.
Ya no.

[Voodooman]

Yeah, don't disrespect the team like that. Pull off him namebar and torch that if it makes you feel better, but not the jersey.

It's going to be a cool item to own in 10 years, and wear to the Dome (which will still be here), and people will go "Oh, whatever happened to that guy". Because, this is the last time Johnny will be relevant in the league, which is exactly what he and his family wanted.

He chose a lifestyle, and to get out of the spotlight entirely. He'll plug along, produce 70-80 points a season, and maybe play 14 playoff games in the next 7 years. Which seems like his dream, so, good on him.

[DynastyEra]

You'd be burning the logo on the front as well, which is not cool. I consider my Gaudreau jersey a relic now, same with my Phaneuf, Cujo and Bennett. Still cool to have and wear regardless of the circumstances of them leaving.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by VANFLAMESFAN

They're not mind readers and lots of players have taken their time only to resign with their team either at the last minute or hell even after free agency opens. Look no further than Landeskog last year.

Look at Landeskog’s team. Look at Landeskog’s city. Look at Landeskog’s role.

He was arguably the 3rd or 4th most important forward on the team, and 4th or 5th most important player factoring in Makar.

He could stay and be a part of something, or he could leave and get paid.

He chose to stay, and a month ago Gary handed him the Cup.

Gaudreau was the entire offense - it’s incredibly unclear how good any of our remaining players are without him, aside from Bread.

Landeskog leaves, that team is still a Cup favorite at the start of the year.

Gaudreau leaves, and nobody’s even sure if this team is any good

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Poison

Tree dropped the ball by icing the best team possible for the fans?
So just keep being a mind reader Brad and if that means being a middling team so be it.
Ya no.

Treliving sacrificed short term gain for long term pain. Icing the best team possible shouldn't be looked at in one year intervals, but should be fluid. Again, Gaudreau had hinted before that he would one day like to play somewhere else. He flat out said that it would be cool to one day play closer to home. His family, whom I believe are nice well intentioned people, complained about the distance. His contract was running out and went into the final year with not even ongoing discussions of an extension. You don't need to be a mind reader to see red flags. Management gambled and lost, and that is on them. None of this came out of the blue, except maybe Columbus being the final destination, but that part is irrelevant.

Managers don't need to be mind readers, but they do need to be able to read situations.

[Shazam]

Throw the jersey onto the ice.

[OptimalTates]

Think they got any baby furniture at their place yet? We need to go full Pronger on him and make the Oilers look good for once! Lol.

[Reign of Fire]

Originally Posted by Poison

Might be in the minority but i have a Gaudreau jersey and feel it needs to feel the flame.
Thinking to organize a mass burning, in a safe space of course, and seeing if organizing a bbq (jersey, then meat) would be a novel idea.

You are on your own. Sounds like an Oilers thing to do.