Joe Rogan cancellation watch

[scobel]

I don't believe silencing is the right answer, and I don't think he needs to change is guests list. listening to differing opinions is what makes it interesting. I do however think this brings up two things.

1. People have not learned despite having the internet all these years that, unless it is reputable news source it cannot be trusted, this goes the same for a podcast. It is an opinion based, entertainment setup.

2. Spotify and Joe Rogan, need to make it clear (unfortunately) that you need to know what a podcast is, it is opinioned based, Spotify and Joe might not even agree with everything said. Research, whether that means talking to your doctor or some other forms for non-Covid related needs to be preached.


I think it is disgusting the racial comments were made but I believe him when he released his apology on those comments. Their is long history of people saying those statements, that are not racist but have not been educated. Unfortunately their will be more, from other popular figures in the world.

I don't think cancelling is the way to go and I believe that is to easy of a way out for companies. I think Joe and others can really turn this into a positive by bringing some education to the world.

[FormerPresJamesTaylor]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Seriously?

EVERYTHING is political now.

Its what happens when identity politics becomes the number 1 driving force of idealogues.

If you like it and your opponent doesnt....you are a bad person. And vice-versa.

Christ....we have people assuming everyone who doesnt believe in getting a vaccine for themselves....is now a white supremacist. Regardless of their skin color or even actual beliefs.

Common sense, critical thinking and healthy debate have been replaced by making sure you are on the opposite side of any and every issue your opposition has taken a stand on.



This is "woke" culture.

What is gods name are you ranting about.

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by FormerPresJamesTaylor

Who's talking about those guys? We know artists sell their music all the time, especially later in their lives. This thread is about Joe Rogan, it clearly says in the title.

Neil Young is at the centre of the original attack on Joe Rogan. His past is absolutely an element of interest. Stills, Nash and Mitchell all have to be very sure of their sparkling past at the moment. Rogan does not have a personal social connection in his interviews with Malone and McCoullagh, they are not his friends, so any artist that has called out Rogan also has to prove that they do not have any questionable business contacts in the past as well.

Good on them for clean living as rock stars, if they managed it. Since they are calling out a social platform, this is a 'my credibility is better than yours' situation.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by FormerPresJamesTaylor

What is gods name are you ranting about.

Sorry you are unable to follow along.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

I'd also question why 'the vaccine is good' and 'don't say the n-word' are political at all.

Those are just recently discovered ammunition for the people who didn’t want Rogan on Spotify in the first place.

[FormerPresJamesTaylor]

Joe Rogan's venture down the anti-vax rabbit hole happened post-Spotify move

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Seriously?

EVERYTHING is political now.

Its what happens when identity politics becomes the number 1 driving force of idealogues.

If you like it and your opponent doesnt....you are a bad person. And vice-versa.

Christ....we have people assuming everyone who doesnt believe in getting a vaccine for themselves....is now a white supremacist. Regardless of their skin color or even actual beliefs.

Common sense, critical thinking and healthy debate have been replaced by making sure you are on the opposite side of any and every issue your opposition has taken a stand on.



This is "woke" culture.

Everything was always political. It just used to be that folks had other things on the go, now it's peoples full time hobby spamming politics. Likewise we are confronted more regularly by view points we dont agree with, rather than them existing outside our immediate consumption.



The only time things weren't political was when you were under 25 and everything was about sex and fun and we were too self involved to realise everything was political.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by transplant99

If you like it and your opponent doesnt....you are a bad person. And vice-versa.


Common sense, critical thinking and healthy debate have been replaced by making sure you are on the opposite side of any and every issue your opposition has taken a stand on.

There’s even a term for it: Affective polarization.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...zation/612025/

It’s why Bernie Sanders was denounced for appearing on Rogan a couple years ago. Contamination, unclean.

It would be funny if we retroactively applied today’s toxic expectations to the past. David Frost platformed that criminal scumbag Nixon? Cancel the grifter!

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

There’s even a term for it: Affective polarization.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...zation/612025/

It’s why Bernie Sanders was denounced for appearing on Rogan a couple years ago. Contamination, unclean.

It would be funny if we retroactively applied today’s toxic expectations to the past. David Frost interviewed that criminal scumbag Nixon? Cancel the grifter!

I don't recall anyone trying to cancel Bernie Sanders. They were criticizing him for going on to the show. Are we not allowed to criticize anymore?

[Looch City]

Remember when "anti-vax" used to be the tiniest of fringe groups that EVERYONE made fun of and generally regarded them as crazy Karens?

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

I don't recall anyone trying to cancel Bernie Sanders. They were criticizing him for going on to the show. Are we not allowed to criticize anymore?

People can criticize that they want. But we can also call out that particular criticism as stupid and an example of a bad trend in society.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Seriously?

EVERYTHING is political now.

Its what happens when identity politics becomes the number 1 driving force of idealogues.

If you like it and your opponent doesnt....you are a bad person. And vice-versa.

Christ....we have people assuming everyone who doesnt believe in getting a vaccine for themselves....is now a white supremacist. Regardless of their skin color or even actual beliefs.

Common sense, critical thinking and healthy debate have been replaced by making sure you are on the opposite side of any and every issue your opposition has taken a stand on.



This is "woke" culture.

Hate to break it to you - but this isn't new. Satanic panic in the 70s/80s. Evil rap music in 80s/90s. Violent video games in 90s/2000s.

Just with social media, the group of people who let themselves go crazy can amplify their message more than ever before. And this applies to people on the 'cancel' side and the opposition.

[PepsiFree]

Thank goodness the posters who believe the nazi’s did some good things and call people with different skin “colored folks” have arrived in this thread to wax poetic on modern life and cancel culture. Hard to imagine what this thread would have been like without their nuanced and highly intelligent opinions on social issues.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

People can criticize that they want. But we can also call out that particular criticism as stupid and an example of a bad trend in society.

Sure you can. But referring to every criticism as cancel culture makes it a meaningless term.

[Harry Lime]

This is why there should be a discussion and not a cancellation. Rogan made a mistake. Owned up to it. Offered to discuss it further. The people offended are only interested in spreading hate.

They are now going after the Rock for association. It makes it hard to take the offended parties seriously if they are only attacking and not advancing the dialogue.

Dwayne Johnson, fresh from putting his feet in hot water after allegedly coming out in support of Joe Rogan, and then subsequently u-turning on said support, has caught himself in further controversy. Johnson’s latest negatively perceived situation comes as a result of a series of comments exposing the actor’s alleged mockery of the Trans community. This has resulted in a Twitter trend picking up speed to get ‘The Rock’ canceled for his remarks.

https://www.giantfreakinrobot.com/cl...ns-people.html

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Thank goodness the posters who believe the nazi’s did some good things and call people with different skin “colored folks” have arrived in this thread

Like who?

[FormerPresJamesTaylor]

David Frost was highly criticized, especially by his own team, when during the initial interviews he allowed Richard Nixon to drone on endlessly without being challenged.

That's not the home run point you think it is, Cliff.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

People can criticize that they want. But we can also call out that particular criticism as stupid and an example of a bad trend in society.

That sort of criticism is also what furthers the political divide between left and right because it puts more emphasis on team media. It essentially forces thought silos or echo chambers where the right only hears from the right and the left from the left.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

That sort of criticism is also what furthers the political divide between left and right because it puts more emphasis on team media. It essentially forces thought silos or echo chambers where the right only hears from the right and the left from the left.

I think we can all remember back to how balanced Fox News was before cancel culture and woke were even terms used by anyone.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

This is why there should be a discussion and not a cancellation. Rogan made a mistake. Owned up to it. Offered to discuss it further. The people offended are only interested in spreading hate.

They are now going after the Rock for association. It makes it hard to take the offended parties seriously if they are only attacking and not advancing the dialogue.



https://www.giantfreakinrobot.com/cl...ns-people.html

Isn't that what is happening?