10-26-2021, 02:16 PM
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#61
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by HighLifeMan
Why should Quenville be held more responsible than anyone else who knew and said nothing? If JQ should lose his job so should Kane, Toews, etc..
Everyone in that locker room knew what happened.
The decisions to smother this came from much higher up than Quenville.
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I am by no means defending the players here.
But they are mere "employees" with a very privileged job. IMO, while disgusting they didn't do anything to stop the abuse, the blame falls on those in charge. Coach Q, all coaches, all managers and executives.
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10-26-2021, 02:17 PM
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#62
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by Ped
They should be all held accountable. But Q and MacIsaac Cheveldayoff and the others were in the room and actively decided to bury this, allegedly.
That makes them far more culpable imo.
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I mean it's certainly a bad look on his character, but ultimately (atleast from my understanding) he was not in a position to make the final call regardless. He played a role in this horrible situation as did everyone who decided to keep their mouths shut for the short term betterment of the on ice product.
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10-26-2021, 02:18 PM
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#63
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by HighLifeMan
I mean it's certainly a bad look on his character, but ultimately (atleast from my understanding) he was not in a position to make the final call regardless. He played a role in this horrible situation, as did everyone who decided to keep their mouths shut.
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and those on the team who chose to call the player homophobic slurs after learning what happened.
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10-26-2021, 02:19 PM
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#64
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Calgary, Alberta
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Originally Posted by Ashasx
Let's not forget that the Hawks gave Aldrich a positive reference. In that new position, he sexually assaulted others, including minors.
It's heinous.
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I actually think that is the worst part of all of this. They knew what was going on, and effectively shuttled this guy elsewhere to commit more of these acts? It's so horrific, it's unbelievable.
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10-26-2021, 02:20 PM
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#65
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Slava
I actually think that is the worst part of all of this. They knew what was going on, and effectively shuttled this guy elsewhere to commit more of these acts? It's so horrific, it's unbelievable.
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It's straight out of the Catholic Church playbook
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10-26-2021, 02:21 PM
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#66
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Franchise Player
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I'm not sure how someone can say this is unbelievable. This is totally believable. Did some of you not grow up with any hockey players? The whole culture can be pretty ####ing toxic.
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10-26-2021, 02:24 PM
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#67
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by Slava
I actually think that is the worst part of all of this. They knew what was going on, and effectively shuttled this guy elsewhere to commit more of these acts? It's so horrific, it's unbelievable.
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Unfortunately, not quite true. They didn't even have to shuttle him for him to commit more of these acts.
During the three weeks these jerks sat on their butts, a Blackhawk intern was also assaulted.
I would also bet that John Doe was not the only player preyed upon after reading the report. Another player adamantly denied it despite rumours, but I would not be surprised if it is because of the shame/guilt that often prevents sexual abuse victims from coming forward.
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10-26-2021, 02:28 PM
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#68
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by CroFlames
I am by no means defending the players here.
But they are mere "employees" with a very privileged job. IMO, while disgusting they didn't do anything to stop the abuse, the blame falls on those in charge. Coach Q, all coaches, all managers and executives.
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Wrong. They are all to blame if they knew.
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10-26-2021, 02:29 PM
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#69
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by HighLifeMan
I mean it's certainly a bad look on his character, but ultimately (atleast from my understanding) he was not in a position to make the final call regardless. He played a role in this horrible situation as did everyone who decided to keep their mouths shut for the short term betterment of the on ice product.
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I strongly disagree. There are varying degrees of culpability and authority did not lie with Q but he clearly had input and chose to bury it.
This video coach was not indispensable and yet not one guy at that meeting advocated suspending him pending a investigation as club policy and common sense dictate.The fact that Q and the others in that meeting prioritized not rocking the boat over protecting players from being sexually harassed and assaulted is more than reason enough to conclude that he lacks the character and integrity to be a head coach. On top of that, he writes a glowing review letter that helps the abuser take on subsequent positions where he can continue abusing his authority. And then denies knowledge. Always thought he was a good coach but that's not forgivable. I would not want him in my organization.
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10-26-2021, 02:29 PM
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#70
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Bowman shouldn't have been able to resign, he should have been fired with cause. I hate the protectionism in all corporate environments where they allow someone to resign and try and pass of blame to someone else.
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10-26-2021, 02:32 PM
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#71
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Fan in Exile
I strongly disagree. There are varying degrees of culpability and authority did not lie with Q but he clearly had input and chose to bury it.
This video coach was not indispensable and yet not one guy at that meeting advocated suspending him pending a investigation as club policy and common sense dictate.The fact that Q and the others in that meeting prioritized not rocking the boat over protecting players from being sexually harassed and assaulted is more than reason enough to conclude that he lacks the character and integrity to be a head coach. On top of that, he writes a glowing review letter that helps the abuser take on subsequent positions where he can continue abusing his authority. And then denies knowledge. Always thought he was a good coach but that's not forgivable. I would not want him in my organization.
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Bill Peters lost his career for saying the N word a decade ago...surely Q is done and should be done.
Surprised their isn't more of an uproar at Florida Puck, he has a lot of fans on here
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10-26-2021, 02:35 PM
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#72
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Beatle17
Bowman shouldn't have been able to resign, he should have been fired with cause. I hate the protectionism in all corporate environments where they allow someone to resign and try and pass of blame to someone else.
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Yes, and have it on the Team's HR file that what the "cause" is!  Have is it on the record!
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10-26-2021, 02:37 PM
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#73
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by Fan in Exile
I strongly disagree. There are varying degrees of culpability and authority did not lie with Q but he clearly had input and chose to bury it.
This video coach was not indispensable and yet not one guy at that meeting advocated suspending him pending a investigation as club policy and common sense dictate.The fact that Q and the others in that meeting prioritized not rocking the boat over protecting players from being sexually harassed and assaulted is more than reason enough to conclude that he lacks the character and integrity to be a head coach. On top of that, he writes a glowing review letter that helps the abuser take on subsequent positions where he can continue abusing his authority. And then denies knowledge. Always thought he was a good coach but that's not forgivable. I would not want him in my organization.
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I missed that, I didn't realize Q was apart of that. That certainly changes things in a big way.
Thanks for clearing that up.
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10-26-2021, 02:41 PM
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#74
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by HighLifeMan
I missed that, I didn't realize Q was apart of that. That certainly changes things in a big way.
Thanks for clearing that up.
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It's a long report but that's one of the things I got skimming through. Quennville didn't sign it but acknowledged he most likely wrote it. Signs off congratulating him for winning the Cup.
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10-26-2021, 02:42 PM
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#75
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Quenneville won't go anywhere. He's got one of Bettmans southern teams doing well finally.
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10-26-2021, 02:44 PM
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#76
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Chi-Town Hustler
Quenneville won't go anywhere. He's got one of Bettmans southern teams doing well finally.
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Uh, no, that's not how it works.
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10-26-2021, 02:46 PM
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#77
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Van City - Main St.
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Would the players have known there was non consensual allegations of assault though?
Maybe they knew about the encounter between John Doe and the video coach, but were under the impression it was consensual?
If so, they still showed horrible character and homophobia in their comments to the player, but maybe didn't understand an assault had taken place.
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10-26-2021, 02:48 PM
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#78
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Franchise Player
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From skimming the relevant parts of the May 23 meeting on the report, it seems McDonagh and Bowman are the guiltiest here.
Chevy does not seem to have been a significant player, and was pretty much the low guy on the totem pole in the meeting.
JQ was called into the meeting after it had started and has some plausible deniability that he may not have had the events described in much detail. It seems abundantly clear that JQ didn't want to mess with team chemistry. The report also specifies that Bowman was responsible for hiring coaches. Important to note that Aldrich started in April 2008, JQ didn't start until October 2008. So the reporting structure is a bit unclear, but it's not like Aldrich was a JQ guy.
Which isn't to excuse either, but there is at least a little bit of nuance to consider here.
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10-26-2021, 02:50 PM
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#79
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Scoring Winger
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The report itself is well done and quite damning of the organization (I do work like this). For those curious about it, the report can be interpreted many different ways but this is on page 68 from the conclusion:
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In May 2010, a sexual encounter involving John Doe and Brad Aldrich occurred at Aldrich’s apartment in Chicago. John Doe stated that the encounter was not consensual and was a sexual assault. Brad Aldrich stated that the encounter was consensual. In the days and weeks that followed, John Doe shared information about the encounter with his confidant; the Blackhawks’ skating coach (Paul Vincent); and the Blackhawks’ mental skills coach (Jim Gary), who was dispatched by Al MacIsaac to speak to John Doe. Gary took information he recalled receiving from John Doe to the senior leaders of the Blackhawks organization.
There are multiple accounts of what occurred during the meeting of those senior leaders at the United Center on May 23, 2010. Gary stated that he shared with the senior leaders that Aldrich was pressuring John Doe for sex and threatening to harm John Doe’s career if John Doe did not comply. Others recall Gary’s comments as less stark—that Aldrich had tried to “get under the sheets” with John Doe. At a minimum, the senior leaders, including then-President John McDonough, were informed of alleged sexual harassment of a player by a coach, including efforts by the coach to engage in unwelcome sexual activity with that player. Several witnesses recalled or later told others about a discussion that ensued during the meeting regarding whether the time was right to address the allegations against Aldrich in light of the need to protect team chemistry and avoid bad publicity during the ongoing playoffs.
What is clear is that, after being informed of Aldrich’s alleged sexual harassment and misconduct with a player, no action was taken for three weeks. One witness recalled that the decision on how to proceed was left in McDonough’s hands and another witness recalled McDonough saying he would speak to John Doe. McDonough did nothing to address the allegations until June 14, when he reported the information to the Director of Human Resources. While there was a lack of recollection as to whether anyone else present in the meeting besides McDonough needed to or would take any additional steps, nothing was done by the other senior leaders to address the situation.
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Can't imagine how anyone involved in that meeting escapes unscathed, but it is professional sports and both Winnipeg and Florida have decent teams this year.
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10-26-2021, 03:13 PM
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#80
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by powderjunkie
JQ was called into the meeting after it had started and has some plausible deniability that he may not have had the events described in much detail. .
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Is anyone to believe the head coach came into a big important meeting about an incident that, if acted on, could hurt the team's shot at the Cup and did not ask what it was? Pretty much the only thing that everyone else agreed on was that Quenneville was pissed and did not want to mess with the team chemistry. Why would he be pissed about something if he did not even know basic facts like who it involved?
The same coach who just this summer said he had not heard the rumours until now despite losing his video coach out of no where? With his players openly taunting multiple players (John Doe and Black Ace 1) about Aldrich?
Of course he knew. He has plausible deniability if this was a criminal trial, but anyone who read the report knows he is lying.
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