10-26-2021, 01:03 PM
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#61
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Atomic Nerd
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With this title scheme, they should just make Dune Messiah as well but call it Dune Part 3 and have a trilogy.
That would wrap up nicely.
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10-26-2021, 01:21 PM
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#62
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The new goggles also do nothing.
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10-26-2021, 01:28 PM
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#63
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Praise the sand! It's coarse, rough, and irritating. And it gets everywhere.
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10-26-2021, 01:34 PM
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#64
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The new goggles also do nothing.
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Last edited by photon; 10-26-2021 at 01:35 PM.
Reason: Added spoiler tags
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10-26-2021, 01:56 PM
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Go start a book thread if you want to discuss the books. Please don’t spoil them here.
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I watched it with my wife on Friday night. She has not read the books, I have.
Without diving into any book specific details, our combined review of the movie was that they did not do a very good job of developing the main characters or the underlying plot, the players in the game, and the general importance of Arrakis to it all. Lots of big scenes and epic music, but very much lacking on detail.
My previous knowledge from the books allowed me to follow along and generally appreciate the cinematography, but my wife was left confused.
For such an incredible story, it was underwhelming that they were unable to convey the depth in a way that can create more than passing interest.
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10-26-2021, 02:17 PM
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#66
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https://defector.com/this-dune-has-no-ideas/
"Denis Villeneuve’s Dune is majestic. There are long, sweeping shots of gigantic structures; sere, gorgeous desert vistas; protracted, meaning-laden silences. It is contemplative, and ponderous, and high-minded. It is all the things I do not want out of a Dune movie."
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10-26-2021, 03:26 PM
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That Crazy Guy at the Bus Stop
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Not gonna lie, I didn’t get much from that article. He seems upset that Villeneuve didn’t add enough “new” stuff or capture the unfilmable heady aspects of the novel.
In fact, can’t really understand what he’s saying. It’s paragraph after paragraph but he doesn’t actually say what he doesn’t like or what he would have preferred instead.
It wasn’t weird enough I guess?
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10-26-2021, 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger
Not gonna lie, I didn’t get much from that article. He seems upset that Villeneuve didn’t add enough “new” stuff or capture the unfilmable heady aspects of the novel.
In fact, can’t really understand what he’s saying. It’s paragraph after paragraph but he doesn’t actually say what he doesn’t like or what he would have preferred instead.
It wasn’t weird enough I guess?
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Strange, this article is very much like Villeneuve's Dune. It's a series of concepts but no real creative ideas.
It's the same difficulty I had explaining my objection to the style and content of the film, while I do respect the film making.
The movie is beautiful, unfortunately it's just a Ghoula without a soul.
Last edited by Hack&Lube; 10-26-2021 at 04:33 PM.
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10-26-2021, 04:41 PM
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That Crazy Guy at the Bus Stop
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That’s the same talk the author uses. Vague but no substance. What does “a series of concepts but no real creative ideas” even mean? Either in relation to the movie or the article.
Saying the set design was bland and doesn’t capture the history and essence of the houses has substance.
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10-26-2021, 04:52 PM
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That Crazy Guy at the Bus Stop
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I’m watching the Lynch version. It’s equal parts terrible and fascinating. It has about an $8 budget and production value is an oxymoron as far as this movie is concerned.
They explain a lot more but I don’t find the characters any better developed.
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10-26-2021, 04:59 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger
I’m watching the Lynch version. It’s equal parts terrible and fascinating. It has about an $8 budget and production value is an oxymoron as far as this movie is concerned.
They explain a lot more but I don’t find the characters any better developed.
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The best out of a mediocre bunch is probably the Sci-Fi mini-series which has more time to elaborate on things and is more faithful to the book. The Children of Dune sequel is actually pretty good and stars James McAvoy in his first big role.
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10-26-2021, 05:02 PM
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#72
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Atomic Nerd
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger
That’s the same talk the author uses. Vague but no substance. What does “a series of concepts but no real creative ideas” even mean? Either in relation to the movie or the article.
Saying the set design was bland and doesn’t capture the history and essence of the houses has substance.
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What I want Dune to evoke:
What Villeneuve's films evoke for me:
This is for ME. Art is subjective and I feel like Dune lacks art and soul. It prioritizes grains of sand or pools of water over rich relationships and a depth of universe. The books have this deep, deep richness to it. The Lynch film is totally inaccurate but it has that total Lynch lucid dream weirdness about it. This Villeneuve movie feels like the desktop wallpaper version of those things.
I immediately felt the same about BR2049. I have watched Blade Runner close to 100 times. I have watched BR2049 once and will never watch it again. It has many beautiful shots but very few beautiful moments.
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10-26-2021, 05:10 PM
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I don't think that's accurate. There is plenty of art and soul in Villeneuve's Dune. Villeneuve creates atmosphere in his movies, and this one has a sort of "bleak, decaying but not weak, constant unrelenting danger" thing going on... the weight of it is palpable on the viewer in a similar way to BR2049. I totally understand the view that that's the wrong atmosphere to be shooting for - that he aimed for and achieved the wrong thing. But to call it soulless or artless doesn't make any sense.
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10-26-2021, 05:14 PM
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#74
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Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague
I don't think that's accurate. There is plenty of art and soul in Villeneuve's Dune. Villeneuve creates atmosphere in his movies, and this one has a sort of "bleak, decaying but not weak, constant unrelenting danger" thing going on... the weight of it is palpable on the viewer in a similar way to BR2049. I totally understand the view that that's the wrong atmosphere to be shooting for - that he aimed for and achieved the wrong thing. But to call it soulless or artless doesn't make any sense.
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Well that's why art is subjective and it's good we can debate these things. Some people can sit in front of a painting in a gallery and be completely engulfed by it while some people will feel nothing for it whatsoever.
I'm just explaining my personal reaction to it and how I had this enormous hope for both BR2049 and Dune but these are not the films nor the director for me. I don't know how to explain it, even when Arrival came out, I had a very adverse reaction to it. The closest I can explain is that watching these films makes me feel like I am being put into a concrete box.
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10-26-2021, 05:31 PM
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Atomic Nerd
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Calgary
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I'll mention the part I did tremendously like - that was the blood sacrifice chanting scene in the rain of Salusa Secundus.
The Sardaukar priest chanting in the rain with his giant collar really moved me for some reason. I think that's the weirdness and esoteric sci fi I really crave.
That said, the Sardaukar still shouldn't be in this movie in the way they appeared at this point of the story, it undermines everything the Emperor was trying to do.
Then the part where the Baron was hanging onto the ceiling of the room and the cleaning crew came in, it looked just like the costumes of the 1984 Sardaukar and I wonder if that was a homage. I latched onto that scene for some reason.
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10-26-2021, 05:36 PM
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#76
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Atomic Nerd
Join Date: Jul 2004
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Also I do like that the "slow blade penetrates the shield" is actually visually and logically demonstrated here and works to explain why there aren't really guns in this universe - bullets would have too much kinetic energy to penetrate the shields. Everybody has to fight with blades and then adjust their attacks to get through.
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10-26-2021, 07:14 PM
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#77
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Yeah I think the thing about guns was implied. They also didn't explain why there were no computers, which I was fine with. But did they talk at any point about why the lasguns can't be used to just obliterate everyone? I'm not sure that was actually covered.
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10-26-2021, 08:05 PM
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#78
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#1 Goaltender
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I like it
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10-26-2021, 08:15 PM
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Truculent!
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Shoulda been a tv show.
That was a long part one and it was still rushed.
Mehhhhh
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10-26-2021, 08:21 PM
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That Crazy Guy at the Bus Stop
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90 minutes into the Lynch version and we’re at the end of part one. Villeneuve version will have a much more in depth part two considering there’s only 45 minutes left in this one.
The story is basically identical so far, I’m really not seeing what the guy in that article was talking about when he said the Lynch version was unique. Lynch version is low budget and rushed but doesn’t have anything story wise that’s different.
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