[Signing] Rangers and Zibanejad agree on contract extension (8 yrs, $8.5 mil AAV)

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

His center was an injured Monahan and except for taking draws Johnny plays more like a center anyway, he drives every line he's on and has since he was 12.

Does Pat Kane need a great center to earn his $10.5m?

Does Kane have any cups?

I like Gaudreau fine. But lets not pretend he’s close to Kane. And lets not pretend all a centre does is take draws or even “drive offence”. A big reason why centres make more generally is their defensive responsibilities on the line.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

His center was an injured Monahan and except for taking draws Johnny plays more like a center anyway, he drives every line he's on and has since he was 12.

Does Pat Kane need a great center to earn his $10.5m?

What??

He plays NOTHING like a C.

He doesn't have to either, nor should he because that is not his strength, but to suggest he plays with the same defensive discipline and responsibilities a center does is just nonsense.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

Clueless comment because Zibanejad does not even play with Panarin except for on the PP. Try to actually watch said player and his team before spouting nonsense.

So you're saying the PP production doesn't count or the fact that his production has improved in the past two years since Panarin showed up is pure coincidence?

The guy is a good player, I don't dispute that. But they have him for this year for a very good rate. But from my observation they would have been better to pay him 10.5 for 4, and be able to move on. Hence why I think they won't like this deal after the first 5 years are done.

eff the Rangers, they are almost Oiler or Canuck to me. I hate them, I hate their players, I hope this blows up in their face. Jeffrey Dolan deserves it. The Rangers have won how many playoff games in the last 5 years? This despite players falling all over themselves to go play there.

[dino7c]

If some of your were Brad negotiating a contract with an agent

"I know your player has more points than X but he is obviously way worse because reasons and would be lucky to get 2M less salary"

GL with that

Probably the same people crying when Gaudreau leaves and plays with top end talent and scores 100 points

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by Canada 02

https://twitter.com/user/status/1447224937626972160

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That's a scary contract looking at those numbers at evens

[Knightslayer]

Originally Posted by dino7c

If some of your were Brad negotiating a contract with an agent

"I know your player has more points than X but he is obviously way worse because reasons and would be lucky to get 2M less salary"

GL with that

Probably the same people crying when Gaudreau leaves and plays with top end talent and scores 100 points

If you were Brad maybe would go something like this

"You're the best player to ever play the game, please tell us what you want and forget about your agent, no need for him, we will gladly give you what you want because you're so amazing"

Hyperbole is fun.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Knightslayer

If you were Brad maybe would go something like this

"You're the best player to ever play the game, please tell us what you want and forget about your agent, no need for him, we will gladly give you what you want because you're so amazing"

Hyperbole is fun.

When did I say that? Every signing people come out and say 6-7M max because so and so with worse stats is waaaay better

PPG players make 8-10M in this league...especially in Canada

don't like it? never have a PPG player unless they happen to be on a entry level or bridge

Gaudreau is making at least 8M next season wherever he plays


considering you quote everything I say you should know what I have and haven't said

Best player ever would get 13M I guess, I am putting Gaudreau in 8-9M range because that is what he is getting

[GioforPM]

I don’t doubt Gaudreau can get $8M. But look at winger salaries and most of the ones making more than that are a tier above him or have very regrettable contracts. And the team has to be careful with that kind of commitment. Even with Kane, after that contract kicked in, the Blackhawks didn’t win a single PO round. Perhaps because they could no longer afford to put a winning team around their two stars.

[dino7c]

Kane and Toews make 10.5M each

If you aren't willing to give your best offensive player 8M you aren't going to have any good players for long

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Kane and Toews make 10.5M

I’m aware. And that was too much then and now, especially for Toews. But look at winger salaries in general. If JG got $9M he’d be making just under Mikko Rantanen, and I just don’t think he’s at that level. Do you?

ETA: On your addition, I’m perfectly willing to pay Gaudreau $8M. I’m talking about more than the $8.5 that a comparable producer who plays a 200 foot centre game is making.

And being the best on a bad offensive team shouldn’t get bonus points. Oliver Bjorkstrand was the best offensive player on Columbus and I’m not paying him that much. See also Pavel Zacha, Brady Tkachuk, etc.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I’m aware. And that was too much then and now, especially for Toews. But look at winger salaries in general. If JG got $9M he’d be making just under Mikko Rantanen, and I just don’t think he’s at that level. Do you?

Their stats are similar...Rantanen has played with far better players

Its kinda irrelevant too, Rantanen took that deal to stay in powerhouse Colorado. Why should Gaudreau take less to stay in Calgary? And its not like the Flames can just take that money and pick up a Rantanen type on the open market

It boggles the mind a Flames fan would want to see the Calgary Flames without Gaudreau because of 1M or so in salary.

Get rid of the Lucic's and the Gudbransons if you are worried about salary

Keep the guy who generates all the O

Lose Gaudreau to save a few bucks...then what? draft a player you hope becomes a Gaudreau and then cheap out on him in 7 years?

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I’m aware. And that was too much then and now, especially for Toews. But look at winger salaries in general. If JG got $9M he’d be making just under Mikko Rantanen, and I just don’t think he’s at that level. Do you?

ETA: On your addition, I’m perfectly willing to pay Gaudreau $8M. I’m talking about more than the $8.5 that a comparable producer who plays a 200 foot centre game is making.

And being the best on a bad offensive team shouldn’t get bonus points. Oliver Bjorkstrand was the best offensive player on Columbus and I’m not paying him that much. See also Pavel Zacha, Brady Tkachuk, etc.

I'm saying Gaudreau 8-9 not more

he has obviously greatly outscored those two


My whole debate is people thinking Gaudreau should get less because this guy or that guy is WAAAAY better...despite worse stats. That is all

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I never said he was bad...if you are comparing players and using one guys best year and another's worst you are obviously cherry picking.

They are comparable... Gaudreau has better career numbers.

Zib is also didn't spend most of last season with Ritchie on his opposite wing.

I didn’t make any comparison of these two players.

I was just commenting that when you posted that Zib had a career high ogb75 points, you were hiding the fact he did so in 57 games, and also neglected to mention his horrendous start recovering from COVID.

There is no GM in the league that would prefer a Johnny.


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[dino7c]

Gaudreau has a higher ppg in his career and a better +/- so bringing up injuries is kinda irrelevant

Both are very good players...again I only pushed back against

"This guy is way better Gaudreau should get less"

No stat backs this up

I think Gaudreau's contract is right around this no matter where he ends up

[DeluxeMoustache]

The way I see it, as Darnell Nurse got 9.25, reason is out the window. I’ll just chew popcorn for 10 months or so and wait and see

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Kane and Toews make 10.5M each

If you aren't willing to give your best offensive player 8M you aren't going to have any good players for long

Toews and Kane are top 10 highest contracts in the league, at the time I think they were top 3?
They had also been integral parts in winning multiple cups at that point.
Love Gaudreau but he's not in that conversation.

[kukkudo]

Johnny is getting 9.5-10M don’t think he’s giving anyone a discount and especially after what the team up North has been doing.

[ComixZone]

Seravalli did a bold predictions article, and notes Johnny’s contract status and makes a good point about the market:

23. The world will be Johnny Hockey’s oyster next summer. With Aleksander Barkov and Mika Zibanejad signed to mega extensions, winger Johnny Gaudreau will become the premier free agent available when the market opens on July 13, 2022

We also have to look at both the Zibanejad and Barkov deals and that both of those deals were signed in very desirable locations (and both teams seem better poised to compete long term than Calgary), so any talk that Gaudreau should be less etc, just doesn’t track with me.

Johnny is going to get paid, and I certainly believe it will be north of this $8.5M.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Seravelli did a bold predictions article, and notes Johnny’s contract status and makes a good point about the market:



We also have to look at both the Zibanejad and Barkov deals and that both of those deals were signed in very desirable locations (and both teams seem better poised to compete long term than Calgary), so any talk that Gaudreau should be less etc, just doesn’t track with me.

Johnny is going to get paid, and I certainly believe it will be north of this $8.5M.

The market is indeed a huge factor. My main issue is that both of those guys are centres and 200 foot players. MZ also shoots right which gets you a few more dollars in the league. There aren’t many LW comparables for Johnny. JG may want to use Rantanen who I mentioned before, but Rantanen has a much higher PPG outside of his rookie year (of course with a much better centre) and also happens to be a huge person. I think the best comparable might be Kessel, with an inflation factor.

[Knightslayer]

Originally Posted by kukkudo

Johnny is getting 9.5-10M don’t think he’s giving anyone a discount and especially after what the team up North has been doing.

No team is giving johnny 9.5-10 on a long term contract. 3 years maybe.