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Old 09-25-2021, 11:00 AM   #61
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This is a feel good story during a dark time.

I am happy that this ended safely and both are back.
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Old 09-25-2021, 11:22 AM   #62
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I would suspect those Challengers had a couple CSIS agents on them for nice chat on the flight home, it wasn't necessarily a courtesy.
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If anyone is interested in this topic or the growing agressive foreign policy by China I highly recommend listening to the “China Rising” podcast. It’s by a Global news correspondent and despite the sort of cheesy tone does provide good information about this particular case but as well generally speaking China’s desire to assert itself as a global power. It’s pretty interesting. Each episode is conveniently only about 30 mins so they don’t drag on for useless stuff which is nice. To the point.

Glad this resulted in a peaceful resolution, need more of that. Need to kick open the door to diplomacy to prevent a war. The Taiwan situation is particularly concerning.
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This is the answer 110%. Stop buying Chinese.
Good in practice. Challenge is most of the parts that make up a product originate from China. Better than doing nothing though.
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Old 09-25-2021, 01:04 PM   #65
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Good in practice. Challenge is most of the parts that make up a product originate from China. Better than doing nothing though.
Then they’ll just open a mega plant and name it “The U.S.A” or something.

“Made in The U.S.A”
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It's good to have the Michaels back. Unfortunately, as China's influence grows and the West's dims, I anticipate even more of this type of blatant bullying.

If you're not a fan of this of behaviour, every time you're out shopping, make the conscious effort to read the place of manufacture and if the item says Made In China, put it back and buy something built elsewhere. Ideally Canada, but Korea, Japan, India, USA, Europe, whatever. Yes, it will cost more. Yes, it's no longer always possible to avoid Chinese products. But when you have the choice, put your money elsewhere. Our politicians and business leaders sold out a long time ago, but us peons as a collective can still exert a little bit of influence.
You realise of course that China is just doing exactly the same thing the west has done, using its economic power to bully the rest of the world, there is no difference between them and the US, in fact if anything China up until now has been significantly less aggressive
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It's still early in the process and all, but just out of curiosity, when these highly politicized situations happen, do they sign NDA's when being released? Just seems like there aren't any media interviews in these situations even after the individuals have settled down. I can't say how I'd react, but surely if I was put in this situations I'd like to tell the media about the bad treatment and to not buy Chinese, etc., but I wonder if they'll be "allowed" to talk about it?
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Then they’ll just open a mega plant and name it “The U.S.A” or something.

“Made in The U.S.A”
That made me chuckle because I think it is entirely plausible.
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If anyone is interested in this topic or the growing agressive foreign policy by China I highly recommend listening to the “China Rising” podcast. It’s by a Global news correspondent and despite the sort of cheesy tone does provide good information about this particular case but as well generally speaking China’s desire to assert itself as a global power. It’s pretty interesting. Each episode is conveniently only about 30 mins so they don’t drag on for useless stuff which is nice. To the point.

Glad this resulted in a peaceful resolution, need more of that. Need to kick open the door to diplomacy to prevent a war. The Taiwan situation is particularly concerning.
I would recommend Barri Weiss' two-part interview with Josh Rogin.

P.S. Also, the latest edition of the All-In podcast - the AD&D fans with really appreciate the "China is Lawful Evil" line.
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F China's ruling class & party.

Ruining the reputation of 1 billion people. Just an abhorrent, corrupt, murderous and inhumane regime.

Trudeau was a wet noodle to them and this played out exactly as everyone figured it would. Such a shame
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You realise of course that China is just doing exactly the same thing the west has done, using its economic power to bully the rest of the world, there is no difference between them and the US, in fact if anything China up until now has been significantly less aggressive
Yes, literally everybody knows that. Doesn’t make it ok.
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I've always been a big fan of propaganda art.



https://twitter.com/user/status/1441632350434070532
Hahah. The same week a Chinese Real Estate company caused a global financial meltdown due to over leveraging.

Those gross greedy Western Capitalists indeed
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Then they’ll just open a mega plant and name it “The U.S.A” or something.

“Made in The U.S.A”
Doctor's Associates agrees with this strategy, and would like to remind you of the benefits of a double meat sub with extra cheese.
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Doctor's Associates agrees with this strategy, and would like to remind you of the benefits of a double meat sub with extra cheese.
100% pure Canadian beef would like a word
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That one is a myth.


https://www.mcdonalds.com/gb/en-gb/h...ally-beef.html
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You realise of course that China is just doing exactly the same thing the west has done, using its economic power to bully the rest of the world, there is no difference between them and the US, in fact if anything China up until now has been significantly less aggressive
You kill me man.
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Canada's ambassador being extremely evasive.



Basically stating point blank that the US government provided no conditions whatsoever for the release of the Michaels as condition for Mang Wanzhou's release, and that both situations and timing are completely coincidental and unrelated.

Ok.

Not that the details matter in the grand scheme of things. China took 2 Canadians hostage as retaliation to an obligation with a US treaty, and Canada got absolutely nothing out of it and stuck in between a squabble between two world powers.

Canadians must realize that both China (and the US for that matter) are not our friends. Canada had zero power through the whole process (and I put zero blame on the Trudeau government for the situation he got delt on this one). As asked in the question period, who will be the two next Michaels? Why even chance travelling to China?
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Not a chance me or my family would go to China. Lol, zero.
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Canada really should be putting out a notification of travel discouraging people from going to China or spending their money there as tourists.



They should also encourage Canadians working there to look after their own safety.
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I live in China. Life's pretty good here. Some things I would like done differently, by that's like any country. I don't feel like I'm in danger. The people I know when commenting on the Wenzhou case are reasonable.
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