[Signing] Flames sign Dube (3 yrs, $2.3 mil AAV) - Page 4 - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

Goriders · 08-26-2021, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Hedging their bets I guess. Based on last season, I don't think he is a $2.3 million player. But he has a lot of upside, so they are gambling that over the 3 years, it will be a bargain. Similar to the Andersson deal, but shorter term.

I think he has the ability to out perform that contract, but Sutter didn't seem very sold on him last year.

He seemed to be in the dog house with valimaki a lot.

dino7c · 08-26-2021, 05:38 PM

Seems to me like 2.3 is gonna be a massive bargain for the Flames in year 3

although I could see him as a guy traded for a big fish

dino7c · 08-26-2021, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Goriders

He seemed to be in the dog house with valimaki a lot.

Means Sutter actually thinks they could be something special IMO. Sutter is hard on them because he realizes their potential if they don't F it up.

Some 4th liner or 3rd pairing at best guy wouldn't be worth the time.

Jay Random · 08-26-2021, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Except 96 of those contracts are non-starters, so lop them off and where is the median?

Since the cap is based on roster players and not starters, I thought it would be more appropriate to assume full rosters for every team.

However, if you change the assumption to 20 players per team, the median starting player has a cap hit of $3,075,000. (I just averaged the 320th and 321st cap hits on the list; it would be a waste of effort to try to guess exactly which 640 players will be on the opening-night rosters of the 32 teams.)

Dube, for comparison, is 382nd on the list, so on a precisely average roster he would be the 12th highest paid player.

Kipper_3434 · 08-26-2021, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

League average is close to $3.5M

Yeah I think you are right. 3m seems like the new 1.2

Enoch Root · 08-26-2021, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Jay Random

Since the cap is based on roster players and not starters, I thought it would be more appropriate to assume full rosters for every team.

However, if you change the assumption to 20 players per team, the median starting player has a cap hit of $3,075,000. (I just averaged the 320th and 321st cap hits on the list; it would be a waste of effort to try to guess exactly which 640 players will be on the opening-night rosters of the 32 teams.)

Dube, for comparison, is 382nd on the list, so on a precisely average roster he would be the 12th highest paid player.

Yeah, for sure - this is great. Thanks.

Enoch Root · 08-26-2021, 06:10 PM

So a mean of about $3.5M and a median between $2.5 and $3M.

blender · 08-26-2021, 06:36 PM

Haven't read the whole thread so sorry if this has been said, but IMO this deal signals a serious commitment by both parties. Two of the three years will be under Sutter, and I feel Dube has a lot more to give under Sutter. He was Captain at the WJC; the kid has the wherewithal. He'll figure it out.

FlamesAddiction · 08-26-2021, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Goriders

He seemed to be in the dog house with valimaki a lot.

I am hoping it is just Sutter's tough love act he is known for. Just ask Jeremy Roenick. Roenick loves him, but Sutter was hard him. He gives Sutter a lot of credit for turning him into the player he became.

Now I am not making a direct comparison to Roenick, who was a phenomenal prospect and likely future HOFer to Dube, but there are some similarities. Both are/were undersized skilled players. Sutter hated how soft Roenick was and saw in him a beast that could emerge and brought that out. I think Dube may have that edge too and Sutter may be able to tap into it.

The Original FFIV · 08-26-2021, 07:16 PM

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So we now have a pretty good picture of the cap situation for this year.

Currently $5.375M available, with 21 players, including Froese and Gawdin.

Add Vladar and it's $4.625

Add Dube and remove Froese and it's $3.075

So if you want to add a player (to replace Gawdin), you have $3.8M

And run with a 22 man roster.

Disappointed in the high AAV. Eats up a lot of the cap space. Had we done a 1 year at 1.5 and revisit then, would have given us another $800K in space without going to a 22 man roster. Inability of Treliving to move out a top piece now limits what we might be able to bring in. Debrusk for a pick or prospect (or something to that effect) is the best we have to hope for in order to see some real change to the core.

FlamesAddiction · 08-26-2021, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

Disappointed in the high AAV. Eats up a lot of the cap space. Had we done a 1 year at 1.5 and revisit then, would have given us another $800K in space without going to a 22 man roster. Inability of Treliving to move out a top piece now limits what we might be able to bring in. Debrusk for a pick or prospect (or something to that effect) is the best we have to hope for in order to see some real change to the core.

Only 1 more season of paying Troy Brouwer $1.5 million of our cap space... I am counting the days until that ends. And please no more buyouts after that.

Flamesfan05 · 08-26-2021, 07:27 PM

Had some great games

But also disappeared for long stretches also

2.3M is about right with some upside built in

Macman · 08-26-2021, 08:15 PM

Dube scored 11 goals last season so at that pace he should get 20 this season if he stays healthy and everything goes well. A 20 goal scorer is a pretty good player, if he has a good year it could really help the Flames if this ends up being our roster.

DoubleK · 08-26-2021, 08:30 PM

Solid deal for both player and team, although I was hoping for AAV closer to $2.0.

Mathgod · 08-26-2021, 08:48 PM

Solid signing.

kehatch · 08-26-2021, 08:58 PM

I am not in love with this contract. It didn't feel like Dube had a "pay for potential" type of season. I think a one year deal would have made more sense.

That said, it's not a huge overpay so it's not a huge gamble.

I think with Tkachuk, Gaudreau, and Mangiapane having expiring contracts next season Treliving was probably trying to get this out of the way. Hopefully Dube makes it look like a bargain.

transplant99 · 08-26-2021, 09:26 PM

Isnt this almost the Sam Bennett 2nd contract?

DoubleK · 08-26-2021, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by transplant99

Isnt this almost the Sam Bennett 2nd contract?

Bennett only signed for two years.

Also Dube is 10000000x better than Bennett.

1qqaaz · 08-26-2021, 09:58 PM

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This is the same term Tkachuk got.

The one thing that is clear is that Treliving loves 6 years as the term for many of his big signings and extensions.

In no order off the top of my head:

Gaudreau, Backlund, Coleman, Markstrom, Giordano, Lindholm, Hanifin, Andersson all signed for 6 years. Only Monahan signed a longer deal at 7 years. Am I missing any?

Yeah there's no doubt that Treliving is a huge fan of 6 year deals. Regardless of the age of the player.

dino7c · 08-26-2021, 10:06 PM

More $$$ for the first year but likely less for 2 and 3 IMO

Very good contract for trading too, I think he is part of bringing in any major player