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Old 08-23-2021, 10:06 AM   #61
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Honestly a little more concerned with Andersson than I am Valimaki.
The old time counting numbers almost favor Valimaki if you consider last year as his second season due to missing an entire season. I'd need to hunt down the advanced numbers to see some more, but it would be interesting to see Anderson's numbers from years 1 & 2 to compare to Valimaki's first two seasons.

I much like a guy like Valimaki getting a shorter term prove yourself contract as opposed to the approach they took with Anderson where they gave him good money and term before he had proven much at the NHL level.

Even with T.J. Brodie, he had an intermediate 2 year deal after his entry contract before he got that longer term deal. So I hope that Valimaki can follow a similar path to Brodie.

I think the Flames have overpaid Anderson, it's not huge or drastic in any way, but I do think that instead of this being a "value" contract, it's always going to be slightly above market type of thing.

But we'll see, this last year was odd especially for younger guys like this who likely had to live alone when they left the rink. So maybe some normalcy will help both of these guys.

It will be interesting to see how the Flames defence works out this year. At this time it would seem that it's not going to produce much of anything offensively. But than again, the 03-04 Flames didn't get much of anything offensively from that group and did okay albeit in a different style of game. I'm a bit skeptical as to how much success a team can have these days without some offensive support from the back end. So guys like Hanafin, Anderson, and Valimaki will all need to step it up on the offensive side in some way shape or form. But I don't think there is enough of an offensive leader in that group to really let the Flames be anything more than a bottom end playoff team that wins games 2-1 but eventually get's choked out by their inability to score.
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Old 08-23-2021, 10:09 AM   #62
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A good contract for the Flames, but anything less than notable progression each of these two years, and you'll have to wonder if that unfortunate mix of injury and Covid has set him back farther then he can recover from to get to the lofty expectations of him.

In my mind he's forever linked to Mark Stone. There's some debate whether it was a signed Mark Stone or a rental Mark Stone (though I think he could've been signed if it wasn't a signed Stone) that Treliving passed on to hold onto JV.

No doubt that the fortunes and make up of the Flames then and now would be a lot different with Mark Stone. Stone would've made more of an impact in even a rental spell here than JV has made in the 2.5 calendar years since.
Why? Just a guess? If Treliving knew he could sign Stone long term, I have a feeling that deal would've been made. It has been reported many times that Stone would only sign in Vegas... so curious as to why you think he could've been signed... any insider info we're unaware of?
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Old 08-23-2021, 02:46 PM   #63
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They solid reporting was that Stone would only talk to Vegas about an extension, despite requests from other teams including Calgary, Winnipeg and Florida. Winnipeg gave up and went for Hayes, while Calgary and Florida made some further attempts, to no avail.
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Really good interview on 960. I hope that Valimaki becomes the player he wants to be because it'd be a lot of fun to watch and the Flames need someone to step into that 1st pair/1stPP role
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Agreed. Saw a lot of red flag type plays/decisions with him last season.

Hopefully just a blip caused by trying to live up to a 6 year deal.
The problem with Anderson is that with his skating deficiencies he has zero margin of error for bad decisions.
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Old 08-25-2021, 08:40 AM   #67
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Interesting to hear his comments on Sutter ... but not all that surprising.

You often hear that on your heels start to his honesty, and then later an appreciation for knowing where you stand ... plus the realization that he wants to help you be better.
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Any chance we can change the misspelling of his name in the thread title? It is Juuso not Jusso.
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