07-21-2021, 01:54 PM
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#61
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Calgary
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As much as I think he would work well with Chucky for obvious reasons and possibly even be incentive for Chucky to stay on a more team friendly deal down the line... Maybe they should just do nothing but move Monahan, suck nuts and draft one of these generational players. Do the LA method. Keep a handful of good players but suck enough to draft high for a quick reload.
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07-21-2021, 01:54 PM
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#62
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy
I guess I don't understand what's so bad about OEL.
He must have terrible advanced stats or something.
He's a good skater, has decent size, hits a ton, is still only 30 which isn't old for a Dman, and usually good for a half a point per game.
His AAV is certainly too high and it goes until he's 36, so the contract isn't pretty but unless there is something I'm missing IMO he would sure help fill the hole just left by Gio's departure.
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About as bad as it gets, yes
Imagine if Tyson Barrie was also bad on the powerplay and you have OEL
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07-21-2021, 01:55 PM
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#63
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Alberta
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Canada 02
now solve for x
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Monahan + Dube for Dvorak + Garland
Garland+Pelletier+1st 2021 for Marner
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Yeast-Lindy-Gaudreau
Tkachuk-Dvorak-Marner
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07-21-2021, 01:56 PM
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#64
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something else haha
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I may be in the minority here but there are some grossly overvaluing of Connor Garland going on here.
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07-21-2021, 01:57 PM
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#65
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Swayze11
I may be in the minority here but there are some grossly overvaluing of Connor Garland going on here.
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I dont know enough about him to have an opinion other than I'd rather make the pick at 12. Moving that 1st or the next 2 1st round picks should be an absolute no go for CGY.
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07-21-2021, 02:03 PM
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#66
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by roof-daddy
i guess i don't understand what's so bad about oel.
He must have terrible advanced stats or something.
He's a good skater, has decent size, hits a ton, is still only 30 which isn't old for a dman, and usually good for a half a point per game.
His aav is certainly too high and it goes until he's 36, so the contract isn't pretty but unless there is something i'm missing imo he would sure help fill the hole just left by gio's departure.
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https://twitter.com/user/status/1406464006391541760
Err...yeah. He has struggled immensely playing second pair minutes in Arizona over the past couple seasons. Add on top that he is owed 31.5 million dollars over the next three seasons and you have a player that will be extremely hard to move without a significant cap dump going the other way or serious retention on the six years remaining on his contract.
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07-21-2021, 02:03 PM
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#67
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I believe in the Jays.
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Kitsilano
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Quote:
Originally Posted by neo45
About as bad as it gets, yes
Imagine if Tyson Barrie was also bad on the powerplay and you have OEL
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Fair point, my knowledge of OEL is mostly limited to the odd Yates Flames game and then some box score/hockeydb browsing.
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07-21-2021, 02:05 PM
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#68
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Alberta
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dammage79
I dont know enough about him to have an opinion other than I'd rather make the pick at 12. Moving that 1st or the next 2 1st round picks should be an absolute no go for CGY.
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I agree, but I am not certain that flames brass do.
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07-21-2021, 02:06 PM
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#69
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by HighLifeMan
https://twitter.com/user/status/1406464006391541760
Err...yeah. He has struggled immensely playing second pair minutes in Arizona over the past couple seasons. Add on top that he is owed 31.5 million dollars over the next three seasons and you have a player that will be extremely hard to move without a significant cap dump going the other way or serious retention on the six years remaining on his contract.
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What was OEL's analytics in previous years? Like when he signed his current contract? Has he regressed since he signed it?
These things just don't make sense. How can a player THAT bad (according to analytics) get such an amazing contract and be considered a great player?
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07-21-2021, 02:07 PM
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#70
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Powerplay Quarterback
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A big time NO to getting OEL.
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07-21-2021, 02:09 PM
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#71
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by topfiverecords
Just another player we'll be in on, but will end up somewhere else.
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The important thing is to be in on everything.
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07-21-2021, 02:14 PM
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#72
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by 868904
I can see Dvorak and OEL coming here, don't see a 170 lb RW getting the OK from Sutter especially with Gaudreau and Mangiapane already in the top 6.
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Sutter is the AGM now? Oh man.
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07-21-2021, 02:20 PM
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#73
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 868904
What was OEL's analytics in previous years? Like when he signed his current contract? Has he regressed since he signed it?
These things just don't make sense. How can a player THAT bad (according to analytics) get such an amazing contract and be considered a great player?
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They were very strong prior to signing the contract.
Many believe his struggles were due to his relationship with Tocchet and not seeing eye to eye, but that's certainly not a risk any team should be making with that contract in play.
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07-21-2021, 02:22 PM
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#74
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#1 Goaltender
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 868904
What was OEL's analytics in previous years? Like when he signed his current contract? Has he regressed since he signed it?
These things just don't make sense. How can a player THAT bad (according to analytics) get such an amazing contract and be considered a great player?
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Chayka was a scumbag con artist who never actually used analytics in his decision making and almost bankrupted his franchise with over twenty 250k fines before trying to jump ship to another team in violation of his contract
Turns out hiring a 26 year old GM wasn’t the best call
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07-21-2021, 02:22 PM
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#75
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Swayze11
I may be in the minority here but there are some grossly overvaluing of Connor Garland going on here.
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Not just Garland. Christian Dvorak has never cracked 20 goals or 40 points, and we're going to trade Sean Monahan for him? Yeah, Monahan is coming off a disappointing year, injury related. Some are going to point at his previous year as being disappointing. Does anyone really need to point out in that terribly disappointing season that he handily outscored Dvorak's career high? Handily! It should be Dvorak AND Garland for Monahan, and even that should require a sweetener. Now the Flames are throwing in Dube? People have gone completely loopy.
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07-21-2021, 02:24 PM
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#76
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Alberta
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald
Not just Garland. Christian Dvorak has never cracked 20 goals or 40 points, and we're going to trade Sean Monahan for him? Yeah, Monahan is coming off a disappointing year, injury related. Some are going to point at his previous year as being disappointing. Does anyone really need to point out in that terribly disappointing season that he handily outscored Dvorak's career high? Handily! It should be Dvorak AND Garland for Monahan, and even that should require a sweetener. Now the Flames are throwing in Dube? People have gone completely loopy.
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Dube is not as good and Garland is better than you are representing here. But I agree that Monahan > Dvorak.
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07-21-2021, 02:25 PM
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#77
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary
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But Monahan just rode Johnnys coat tails see. Dvorak would be better at it!
#greentext
Don't trade Monahan right now please.
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07-21-2021, 02:25 PM
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#78
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Calgary
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This would almost have to be Lucic for OEL at this point with those kind of stats in another change of scenery deal. Im thinking Lucic is still better value for what he brings to the team.
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07-21-2021, 02:28 PM
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#79
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Scoring Winger
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Understatement. Lucic contract cash wise was paid out in bonuses so costs actually less money. Just the cap it which is way more favourable
Quote:
Originally Posted by Psytic
This would almost have to be Lucic for OEL at this point with those kind of stats in another change of scenery deal. Im thinking Lucic is still better value for what he brings to the team.
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07-21-2021, 02:28 PM
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#80
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald
Not just Garland. Christian Dvorak has never cracked 20 goals or 40 points, and we're going to trade Sean Monahan for him? Yeah, Monahan is coming off a disappointing year, injury related. Some are going to point at his previous year as being disappointing. Does anyone really need to point out in that terribly disappointing season that he handily outscored Dvorak's career high? Handily! It should be Dvorak AND Garland for Monahan, and even that should require a sweetener. Now the Flames are throwing in Dube? People have gone completely loopy.
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Yup, I get it. Fans are sick of the same team and want change but Monahan+ for Dvorak is stupid. It is the inverse of most fan sites these days, I actually think Flames fans undervalue Flames players and overvalue pretty much any decent player from other teams.
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