LeBrun: Flames are looking at every single scenario to try and keep Giordano

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Then the owners should fold the team right here and now, because they have a 97% chance of failure each and every year. And the same applies to every other franchise in the league.

Professional sports is a business. The goal is to make money by entertaining fans. The playoffs are part of the show, but nobody is ever guaranteed a championship.

I'm simply meaning that the Flames need to take a long-term approach to this.

The Flames aren't winning the Cup next year. The decision on Giordano should be simple: Is the price to pay Seattle higher than what we can reasonably expect to receive for him at the deadline?

If the answer is yes, don't give up any extra assets.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

What if it costs a 3rd to keep Gio, but they trade him for a first at the TDL? Bad asset management?

If it cost that, the deal would have been done already.

The only hope is the price goes down near expansion time.


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[NewFan]

I think this is reverse tactics for trading. Team wants to send Gio but acting like they want keep Gio anyprice. So when Seattle select him then the team will walk away.
But honestly if Seattle really wants Gio, then tell Gio that we will keep you and give Seattle second round pick and if the team out of playoffs during the trade deadline we will trade you to contender fot 1st.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

Can you please find a single post calling for a firing for the GM in this thread that isn't an obvious joke? Your recent posts are getting a bit unhinged about this particular topic.
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Which posts? The ones where I have rationally outlined the case for why keeping Gio isn't a bad idea?
Or which other ones?
To be clear I've never argued they should give up assets to keep him.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Hanna Sniper

Just controlling the narrative so they can say "we tried every scenario to keep our captain"

Most likely scenario IMO.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I'm simply meaning that the Flames need to take a long-term approach to this.

OK, I'll buy that.

The Flames aren't winning the Cup next year. The decision on Giordano should be simple: Is the price to pay Seattle higher than what we can reasonably expect to receive for him at the deadline?

If the answer is yes, don't give up any extra assets.

I'll go further. The price to pay Seattle, including the player they take in the expansion draft instead of Giordano, needs to be less than the Flames can reasonably expect to receive for Giordano at the deadline.

Unfortunately, that doesn't leave very much wiggle room. If the rumours are correct, the Kraken are setting their asking prices far too high.

[Samonadreau]

Good chance of Gio being Seattle's first Captain if selected.

[blender]

Originally Posted by Major Major

Gio has value. That much is obvious. The question is... What is it? I'd pay to keep him because he's a good player and this team needs more good players, not less. I'm not sure I'd pay the Vegas price though.

The Oilers 3rd, B prospect, +whoever they pick instead of Gio. Could be swayed to give up the Panthers '22 2nd rounder.

I agree that he has value. By his own merit he is still a good NHL defenseman, plays 20 quality minutes, and with the right partner he is very good. He could easily play to or exceed his contract value this season. I'd say 2/3 of teams in the league would move cap to find a spot for him on their roster.

Obviously the question is what is that worth under the umbrella of asset management.

I believe they will find a way to keep him. In fact, I'm hoping for them to try and load up this season to capitalize on Gio and possibly Gaudreau and even Tkachuk being on their last season and try and go on a run with Sutter and Markstrom.

Two reason why this appeals to me:
1) I want to see the Flames win more than anything, and next season is the only season that matters right now.

2) The amount of crow being eaten on here would be legendary. Absolutely legendary.

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Which posts? The ones where I have rationally outlined the case for why keeping Gio isn't a bad idea?
Or which other ones?
To be clear I've never argued they should give up assets to keep him.

I don't believe anyone has suggested keeping Gio in and of itself is a bad idea. Keeping him at the expense of long-term assets is a terrible idea. This team is not a cup contender no matter how you slice it, so forget about what he means to their chances in this already cursed upcoming year.

The question is, what is Gio worth at the deadline? I have a very hard time believing in the current trade climate, with the drafts coming up, that any team in their right mind is giving up a 1st or 2nd round pick for a 38 year old on an expiring deal with a nearly $7 million cap hit, who has put up fairly pedestrian numbers since the year where his whole team overachieved. It just isn't happening.

Expose him, make him a video tribute, and move the **** on.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I'm simply meaning that the Flames need to take a long-term approach to this.

The Flames aren't winning the Cup next year. The decision on Giordano should be simple: Is the price to pay Seattle higher than what we can reasonably expect to receive for him at the deadline?

If the answer is yes, don't give up any extra assets.

If the Flames based their strategy on the fact that they aren’t winning the cup next year, they would have not hired Sutter , instead started the rebuild.

They did not do that.

Now, for the record, I thought they should have started the rebuild a few years back. But that’s not the strategy.


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[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by blender

2) The amount of crow being eaten on here would be legendary. Absolutely legendary.

Oh, I doubt that. The people who want Treliving fired for things he hasn't even done would still want him fired because he didn't give them free ketchup to go with the crow.

You can't win with some people. And I get the distinct impression that some of the posters on CP only call themselves Flames fans so they can have something to complain about. They certainly don't seem to get any other kind of enjoyment out of following the team.

[1_Flames_Fan]

Expose him, if they take him use the cap space wisely and if they don't we get another year of Gio then maybe sign him cheap as a 5-6 guy and mentor.

[blender]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

The Flames aren't winning the Cup next year.

The Hell they aren't!

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

I don't believe anyone has suggested keeping Gio in and of itself is a bad idea. Keeping him at the expense of long-term assets is a terrible idea.

The question is, what is Gio worth at the deadline? I have a very hard time believing in the current trade climate, with the drafts coming up, that any team in their right mind is giving up a 1st or 2nd round pick for a 38 year old on an expiring deal with a nearly $7 million cap hit, who has put up fairly pedestrian numbers since the year where his whole team overachieved. It just isn't happening.

Expose him, make him a video tribute, and move the **** on.

You have people who HAVE suggested the Flames should do what they can to move on from Gio because under his leadership they have won nothing. That is an opinion that has been stated.

The expiring contract is an advantage in these cases.
If Nick Foligno can get a 1st, I think Gio could.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

I don't believe anyone has suggested keeping Gio in and of itself is a bad idea. Keeping him at the expense of long-term assets is a terrible idea.

The question is, what is Gio worth at the deadline? I have a very hard time believing in the current trade climate, with the drafts coming up, that any team in their right mind is giving up a 1st or 2nd round pick for a 38 year old on an expiring deal with a nearly $7 million cap hit, who has put up fairly pedestrian numbers since the year where his whole team overachieved. It just isn't happening.

Expose him, make him a video tribute, and move the **** on.

At the trade deadline, the expiring contract is a good thing, and the cap hit is reasonable.

Savard cost a first last trade deadline. Gio is better than him.


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[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Man this organization is getting increasingly harder to support. This is why Treliving should have been let go. This is already an asset poor organization largely due to his mismanagement and he's looking at going back to the well one more time for a single year of a soon to be 38 year old defenseman. SMH.

Not sure how letting trevliving go would change anything. It’s been long rumoured that ownership is in the win now mantra. I new gm would be doing the exact same thing Tre might be trying to do now . Don’t get me wrong , I don’t agree with it at all . They should just let Gio go.

I would also add that Sutter probably has a lot to do with trying to keep Gio.

[Displaced Flames fan]

The hyperbole in this thread. I would say it would be irresponsible NOT to consider every option. Thats what a good manager does. Judge him on the action he takes, not on what he considers.

Calm down

[Vinny01]

The only way I am happy paying decent assets to keep Gio is if Seattle takes Lucic. If you can dump the worst contract on the team and it keeps the captain fine. I will hate to see multiple futures traded so the Kraken select Kylington.

If they take Lucic at least the team gains valuable cap space and are only losing a third liner who brings value but won’t be able to live up to the cap hit.

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

You have people who HAVE suggested the Flames should do what they can to move on from Gio because under his leadership they have won nothing. That is an opinion that has been stated.

By ONE person who is universally reviled for his awful takes. JFC.

The expiring contract is an advantage in these cases.
If Nick Foligno can get a 1st, I think Gio could.

Agree to disagree. We heard this argument over and under with Paul Gaustad and Barclay Goodrow. When was the last time a player in Gio's position garnered a significant return at the time it was announced?

[Reggie Dunlop]

Moving Giordano just to keep him from a division rival does make some sense.