Matthew Tkachuk wants out rumour

[Drunk Uncle]

Originally Posted by Elkyiv

Trading Tkachuk is going to turn out worse than Bennett. He's going to be a PPG player and we'll get a bust.

Probably a little early to be calling a 19 year old prospect and an unselected draft pick busts.

[CSharp]

Rumor's a rumor - whatever. However, if Tre is trading away a top piece, bit better be a blockbuster trade involving Eichel coming to the Flames. Anything short of that would be disappointing. I don't see Tkachuk going anywhere and I don't see Eichel as a Flames in our lifetime. The only thing I see Tre doing is finding a backup goalie for the team.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Some of this fanbase want to see him elsewhere, and will then bitch about not having a player that good from the draft for another 15 years.

Most of us realize the guy is a great player. I wouldn't be surprised to see him put up 80 points on his new team when traded. Ideally he would remain a Flame for a long time but it's clear he's fast tracked himself to free agency where he likely plans to depart to St. Louis or another US team. It's a matter of getting the best the team can get for him whether that be this offseason or the next but as with Fox there's no point lamenting a great player that didn't want to be here and as good as Tkachuk is, he's not going to be a Flame in two years and there's not a lot the Flames can do about it.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I actually don't care. I dislike the core of this team so much that there's not a single player I would be sad to see go. I've never been as much a fan of Tkachuk as most here as to me he's a bit of a fraud in that he supposedly wants to win worse than anyone on the team yet he's never picked up his game when it matters, is constantly a distraction with his unsavory antics, and for a guy that you would expect to be trying to do anything to win he sure uses a lot of a lot of selfish "hey look at me" between the legs passes and shots that go absolutely nowhere.

There's that saying about players like this that everyone hates him but would love to have him on their team. I don't really like having a player like this on my team. If he wants out then good riddance.

My sentiments exactly. I'm actually quite jealous of Seattle in that they get to start with a fresh team from scratch. I would trade this entire roster to Seattle if it meant we got to build a new team from the expansion draft. I would put money down that the Kraken win a playoff series before the Flames do

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by transplant99

The Sabres have made it very clear they want players back moreso than picks. Though Eichel level players are the only type of return that would make sense.

Trading the 6th highest scoring LW since entering the league at age 23 will be a monumental boondoggle in the end though.

Teams wait for years and years to get players like MT.

Some of this fanbase want to see him elsewhere, and will then bitch about not having a player that good from the draft for another 15 years.

Mind boggling.

At any rate...why this thread exists when the "rumor" was from a very shaky source to begin with and has been debunked by the club through 2 different outlets now is beyond me.

Clickbait for SOB I guess?

I can forget about Tkachuk rather easily with an Eichel.

And I do think Tkachuk is a good one despite a garbage season.

[Psytic]

I like him, I just dont think he can be our highest paid player at 9 mill or be our / would have to be our best player for that kind of dough and actually hope to succeed. I feel like they'd almost be crazy to pay that. It makes it very hard to keep him imo.

[Bingo]

Really comes down to the relationship.

He seemed pretty sincere when he signed the deal that he felt it was structured in a way to make sure they could bring back the whole team. Bottom line it was certainly the type of deal that was being handed out around the league (Point, Boeser, Sergachev).

Hopefully the team has an idea on what he plans to do with the $9M qualifying offer. If they've already had that chat and it's just a number in signing a long term contract that makes sense for both sides (as in he has expressed he wants to stay here) then I doubt he's going anywhere.

If he's tight on the topic though I think they have to move him whether he's asked for a trade or not.

Same as Gaudreau. Get a sense of what he wants for dollars and term and if it doesn't work ... move him.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I actually don't care. I dislike the core of this team so much that there's not a single player I would be sad to see go. I've never been as much a fan of Tkachuk as most here as to me he's a bit of a fraud in that he supposedly wants to win worse than anyone on the team yet he's never picked up his game when it matters, is constantly a distraction with his unsavory antics, and for a guy that you would expect to be trying to do anything to win he sure uses a lot of a lot of selfish "hey look at me" between the legs passes and shots that go absolutely nowhere.

There's that saying about players like this that everyone hates him but would love to have him on their team. I don't really like having a player like this on my team. If he wants out then good riddance.

Harsh, but not too far off my thoughts. I’ve always thought his after whistle stuff was, in large part, performative and/or a response to his personal feelings getting hurt as opposed to team concerns. I know a lot of people have complained that he was told to tone it down or whatever was actually said. But put yourself in a linemates skates - it’s one thin g to stand up for a team mate who got cheap shotted but do you really want to get into scraps and face washes with hulking defencemen every stoppage because Chuckie decided to take three extra whacks at a goalie? I think their message was for him to pick his spots and not do it every single time - it wears thin. And for all the “he gets in opponents heads” claims, it sure seems like the other team gets in his head just as much.

[CaptainYooh]

I don't think this is "just a rumour". In fact, I do believe that these rumours are strategically leaked by the interested parties for specific reasons. Whenever these "just rumours" show up, there's something cooking in the background. The public usually doesn't know those real reasons and left to speculate.

I would not be surprised if he wants out. Something did happen after that incident. His play changed completely.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by CaptainYooh

I don't think this is "just a rumour". In fact, I do believe that these rumours are strategically leaked by the interested parties for specific reasons. Whenever these "just rumours" show up, there's something cooking in the background. The public usually doesn't know those real reasons and left to speculate.

I would not be surprised if he wants out. Something did happen after that incident. His play changed completely.

I think he was having an off season before the Muzzin incident. But also he doesn’t like being told what to do, right or wrong.

I agree rumours often get leaked. Chuckie has no control over being traded but his contract kind of dictates that teams will have less interest unless he’s willing to extend with them. So a rumour (possibly leaked by his agent) that he’s willing to go to St. Louis is an indication to them that he’d re-up with them. It hurts the Flames by narrowing the target trading partners.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by CaptainYooh

I don't think this is "just a rumour". In fact, I do believe that these rumours are strategically leaked by the interested parties for specific reasons. Whenever these "just rumours" show up, there's something cooking in the background. The public usually doesn't know those real reasons and left to speculate.

I would not be surprised if he wants out. Something did happen after that incident. His play changed completely.

It seems to me most rumours are really just assumptions. Sometimes they are based on sound assumptions and end up being accurate, and sometimes not. I don’t think they are based on actual leaks most of the time. People more tuned in can usually make more accurate assumptions but they are still just trying to make predictions.

There are a few reasons why the Flames may want to trade Tkachuk and a few reasons why he may want to be traded. All it takes is for someone like SOB to make the assumption, and it suddenly escalates to rumour status.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Most of us realize the guy is a great player. I wouldn't be surprised to see him put up 80 points on his new team when traded. Ideally he would remain a Flame for a long time but it's clear he's fast tracked himself to free agency where he likely plans to depart to St. Louis or another US team. It's a matter of getting the best the team can get for him whether that be this offseason or the next but as with Fox there's no point lamenting a great player that didn't want to be here and as good as Tkachuk is, he's not going to be a Flame in two years and there's not a lot the Flames can do about it.

You do not know any single one of the bolded to be true. Not one.

Pure conjecture and assumptions.

You know what they say about those that assume?

[Vinny01]

One of the more remarkable things I have read through the whole season with Matthew is how Brady is now the better Tkachuk. In my opinion it is a pretty laughable suggestion and one that was stirred by some Ottawa Sun writer who first pondered Matthew could be moved.

Just to be clear 3 years in Brady has never even matched Tkachuk’s rookie totals. Even this year when everyone was saying Brady is better Matty still scored 7 more points than his brother.

Brady is maybe a little bit quicker, bigger and tougher but Matthew is a better overall and offensive player.

[Strange Brew]

My gut feeling is Tkachuk is not happy with the club after last year but he is too shrewd to just go and demand a trade. He knows he can totally dictate his future within two years and so I bet there would be little urgency on his part. Neither demand a trade nor rush into any extension talks.

Which may put the Flames in a tough spot as they decide what they want to do.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by transplant99

You do not know any single one of the bolded to be true. Not one.

Pure conjecture and assumptions.

You know what they say about those that assume?

What's that? Sometimes you are right and sometimes you are wrong? It doesn't really matter as I'm entitled to my opinion and it's going to play out one way or another. In the mean time I will just sit back and let the rumors heat up.

[CaptainYooh]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

It seems to me most rumours are really just assumptions. Sometimes they are based on sound assumptions and end up being accurate, and sometimes not. ...

This is incorrect. A speculation by an analyst or commentator is OK as long as they are framed as thoughts. Rumours that are aired publicly as rumours, must have a valid source. If challenged legally, someone spreading a speculation represented as a rumour could be sued and would have to name their source to the court. As we all know, a few posters on this forum have been sued by Brian Burke for spreading false reputation-damaging rumours. These posters were only forum users. Imagine a publicly-known figure spreading false unsubstantiated rumors that might hurt billion-dollar corporations.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Drunk Uncle

Probably a little early to be calling a 19 year old prospect and an unselected draft pick busts.

Come back next week, is that soon enough LOL?

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Most of us realize the guy is a great player. I wouldn't be surprised to see him put up 80 points on his new team when traded. Ideally he would remain a Flame for a long time but it's clear he's fast tracked himself to free agency where he likely plans to depart to St. Louis or another US team. It's a matter of getting the best the team can get for him whether that be this offseason or the next but as with Fox there's no point lamenting a great player that didn't want to be here and as good as Tkachuk is, he's not going to be a Flame in two years and there's not a lot the Flames can do about it.

Chalk it up to another Treliving blunder if you ask me. Same with Mangiapane, who could have also been locked in longer term before blowing up when it was painfully obvious he was going to turn into something.

It still fails to make sense how the GM continues to have a job for having achieved so little.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by CaptainYooh

This is incorrect. A speculation by an analyst or commentator is OK as long as they are framed as thoughts. Rumours that are aired publicly as rumours, must have a valid source. If challenged legally, someone spreading a speculation represented as a rumour could be sued and would have to name their source to the court. As we all know, a few posters on this forum have been sued by Brian Burke for spreading false reputation-damaging rumours. These posters were only forum users. Imagine a publicly-known figure spreading false unsubstantiated rumors that might hurt billion-dollar corporations.

Not really valid for sports trade rumors.

Burke sued people for defamation. IIRC they were spreading a rumor that he was fired as Toronto GM because he had an affair and knocked up a female sports anchor.

You would have to go a long way in court to prove that a false rumor of a player wanting out of a city caused damages to said player. I don't think the legal liability is there. Otherwise Sportsnet and TSN would have their lawyers vet everything their insiders put out there.

[AC]

I don't see why Mangiapane could have been locked up long term. That seems against the best interests of Mangiapane.

During his hold out, his agent was quoted as saying they were looking at a 1 year deal, they probably felt confident he could dramatically increase his value in a couple years so locking up longterm wasn't something they wanted.

“We provided them with an offer for one year, based on players provided to us as comparables, and we’re waiting to hear back,” said agent Ritch Winter, who represents the 23-year-old restricted free agent."