Calgary Flames 21-22 Roster speculation

[GioforPM]

Backlund selected in the expansion draft? He won’t even be exposed.

[Heavy Jack]

Continue to pick away at the smallest aspects of my posts GPM lol

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Continue to pick away at the smallest aspects of my posts GPM lol

You led off with it. It kind of calls into question your assumptions. With Lucic waiving, why would you not protect Backlund? And why would you hope he gets claimed?

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

You led off with it. It kind of calls into question your assumptions. With Lucic waiving, why would you not protect Backlund? And why would you hope he gets claimed?

Gives Seattle options to mull over and allows the flames to protect another young player in Phillips. Personally I think Lucic means more to this teams identity than Backlund as does Gio so honestly of the 3 I’d like to see Backlund gone which is why I lead with that. If Backlund isn’t exposed I don’t see the logic, it’s a contract that will only get uglier but I can see your reasoning with Lucic already being asked to waive his NMC with intention of exposure.

[Lanny_McDonald]

If the Flames expose Backlund to protect Phillips, Treliving should be immediately fired. A move like that would disqualify him from ever working in professional sports again.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

You led off with it. It kind of calls into question your assumptions. With Lucic waiving, why would you not protect Backlund? And why would you hope he gets claimed?

Because he is overrated and overpaid. Part of a core that hasn't accomplished anything.

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by keenan87

Because he is overrated and overpaid. Part of a core that hasn't accomplished anything.

You trade him then.

I’m somewhere in the middle of this argument cause I think Backlund has trade value and agree maybe it’s time to try and trade him before a potential drop off in his play due to age.

Still don’t want to give him away for free.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by keenan87

Because he is overrated and overpaid. Part of a core that hasn't accomplished anything.

So trade him. You don’t give assets away unless you are forced to.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Gives Seattle options to mull over and allows the flames to protect another young player in Phillips. Personally I think Lucic means more to this teams identity than Backlund as does Gio so honestly of the 3 I’d like to see Backlund gone which is why I lead with that. If Backlund isn’t exposed I don’t see the logic, it’s a contract that will only get uglier but I can see your reasoning with Lucic already being asked to waive his NMC with intention of exposure.

A. You don’t expose players to get rid of them. You expose them to protect others. Who are you fussed about protecting?

B. Exposing Backlund doesn’t help you protect Gio unless you go the 8 skater route and that would mean you’d expose even more players you want to keep.

C. If you want to shed Backlund you trade him. Even if you only got a 4th (which is ludicrous) it’s better than losing him for free.

D. Backlund’s contract is not very far out of line compared to his comparables, if at all.

[Heavy Jack]

Seattle still can only pick one player, exposing the aging vets to protect younger pieces isnt the end of the world. If you felt you had to expose Lucic but wanted to keep him one way to give you a chance would be by exposing Backlund as well.

[Groot]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Seattle still can only pick one player, exposing the aging vets to protect younger pieces isnt the end of the world. If you felt you had to expose Lucic but wanted to keep him one way to give you a chance would be by exposing Backlund as well.

If Treliving gave Backlund away for free so that we could keep Lucic, he would get the Rex Banner treatment immediately.

[Heavy Jack]

Personal preferences here again but Lucic meant more to this team than Backlund did the last 2 years and to me adds more to the club and its identity moving forward. I get where you are all coming from but I don’t necessarily agree. When trading Backlund and that contract too you almost surely will have to take salary and a similar contract back it’s not like you can just turn around and shed 5 some million for a 4th.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Seattle still can only pick one player, exposing the aging vets to protect younger pieces isnt the end of the world. If you felt you had to expose Lucic but wanted to keep him one way to give you a chance would be by exposing Backlund as well.

Or you could just not expose Lucic, which would make this whole waiver business a useless exercise.

[ComixZone]

I’d expose Backlund as part of a deal to protect Giordano. Giordano is better at his position, and only has one year left on his deal vs. 3.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I’d expose Backlund as part of a deal to protect Giordano. Giordano is better at his position, and only has one year left on his deal vs. 3.

You don’t need that kind of price to protect Gio, who is an iffy choice for Seattle anyway.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

You don’t need that kind of price to protect Gio, who is an iffy choice for Seattle anyway.

I don’t think so.

Giordano could be huge for Seattle, and worth a 1st at the deadline - on the flip side, he’d likely extend.

If Giordano gets exposed without something else happening, I think he absolutely gets picked.

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

You don’t need that kind of price to protect Gio, who is an iffy choice for Seattle anyway.

Is he iffy though?? They need salary too to hit the floor and Gio has a very attractive contract in that it’s cap heavy and only for 1 more season; he’s a captain and can help Seattle in their first year with leadership. I don’t see how they don’t take him honestly.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Is he iffy though?? They need salary too to hit the floor and Gio has a very attractive contract in that it’s cap heavy and only for 1 more season; he’s a captain and can help Seattle in their first year with leadership. I don’t see how they don’t take him honestly.

They don’t need much salary to hit the floor. It’s almost impossible to not hit it. And while I would take him, I think it’s 50-50 at best.

What I wouldn’t do is trade a guy who’s the 48th highest paid centre in the league but is 41st in points - in an off year. Even ignoring his D, that’s a good contract, especially when you consider there are first RFA and ELC contracts in the top 40, so he’s even higher ranked among similar aged players.

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

They don’t need much salary to hit the floor. It’s almost impossible to not hit it. And while I would take him, I think it’s 50-50 at best.

What I wouldn’t do is trade a guy who’s the 48th highest paid centre in the league but is 41st in points. Even ignoring his D, that’s a good contract.

I take Backlund along with every other players numbers this year with a large grain of salt both good and bad. Playing against the same teams night in and night out is why McDavid was able to hit 100 points in a 56 game schedule. Backlund is slowing down and it’s only a matter of time his slow starts don’t pick up by the mid season where all of a sudden he’s producing at a near point per game clip to finish out. He’s not a necessarily a physically imposing player as well so it becomes harder to slot him into the bottom 6 and checking roles as he slows down. It’s tough to let pieces go for ‘nothing’ but we gain 5.35 mill in space for the next 3 seasons for ‘free’ if Seattle ended up taking Backlund which is definitely something.

[Strange Brew]

What would it take from Seattle to agree to expose Monahan? Would they have an interest?

They are the one team that gets to design their own roster and cap structure so his AAV shouldn’t be a problem. A rebounding Monahan could be a valuable asset to them.