Stamkos and Kucherov miraculously healthy for game 1.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by Joborule

Trade deadline shouldn't be a concern since it doesn't generate money for the NHL in the US. In Canada it gets attention because it's shoved down our throats and we eat it up. No one down there really gives a #### about the NHL trade deadline.

And even still, just because of that doesn't mean that teams should be allowed to exceed the cap then, because you're getting this situation where the cap doesn't really exist if you can manipulate the rules into your favour to actually exceed the cap and have more superstar players than what it intends for.

I feel the system should be fairly simple and straightforward. You're team's cap for the season as a whole is something you have to comply with every day your team has an active ongoing season. Player's AAV is the only thing that matters. Regular season or post season, you have to ice a roster that is within the limit. Offseason and preseason you can be over.

NHL GM's will be cleaver enough to make big deals around the deadline since they're desperate enough to make dumb moves for instant chance of improvement.

This is true, same goes for the draft, for the most part.

But a lot of people do get genuinely excited for the playoffs. Less competition at this time of year.

[neo45]

You gotta punish the Bolts here. They weren’t even very smart about it

They announced Kucherov would be good for game 1 BEFORE they knew when game one even was. The start date changed and surprise so did Kucherov’s return

They came down hard on the Devils for Kovulchuk’s circumvention, penalty should be similar. Multiple firsts

[BoLevi]

How do the other salary cap leagues handle this

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

I don't know how much the league could do in this example and I think that this is a sign of Tampa's skill level. Frankly, I would like something along the lines of a player needs to be paid for a percentage of the regular season against the salary cap or they are ruled void for the playoffs. Even if it is 25% I think it would prevent this type of situation where even if the paperwork is in order, the optics are awful.

Frankly as a Canucks fan it feels bad to be paying a cap hit for circumvention when the rules changed after the signing of the contract, and then watching another team use LTIR as a means of lowering the cap hit for the regular season.

[Ashasx]

I don't really understand what the penalty would have been if Kucherov was listed as healthy, but Tampa couldn't take him off LTIR because they wouldn't have space.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I don't really understand what the penalty would have been if Kucherov was listed as healthy, but Tampa couldn't take him off LTIR because they wouldn't have space.

I assume a player can not be on LTIR if he is healthy. The Bolts would need to be cap compliant through other means.


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[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

I don't know how much the league could do in this example and I think that this is a sign of Tampa's skill level. Frankly, I would like something along the lines of a player needs to be paid for a percentage of the regular season against the salary cap or they are ruled void for the playoffs. Even if it is 25% I think it would prevent this type of situation where even if the paperwork is in order, the optics are awful.

Frankly as a Canucks fan it feels bad to be paying a cap hit for circumvention when the rules changed after the signing of the contract, and then watching another team use LTIR as a means of lowering the cap hit for the regular season.

And what's tragically ironic about that, is that the Panthers are ALSO paying for cap circumvention that they didn't create since they weren't the ones that signed Luongo to that contract.

So currently the Panthers are being punished for cap circumvention that they didn't do (while also being an internal cap team), and the Lightning are blatantly circumventing the cap in order to field a championship team.

So I say again: Let's Go Panthers! A 1st round exit for the Bolts would be sweet justice.

[browntrout]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

And what's tragically ironic about that, is that the Panthers are ALSO paying for cap circumvention that they didn't create since they weren't the ones that signed Luongo to that contract.

So currently the Panthers are being punished for cap circumvention that they didn't do (while also being an internal cap team), and the Lightning are blatantly circumventing the cap in order to field a championship team.

So I say again: Let's Go Panthers! A 1st round exit for the Bolts would be sweet justice.

Go Panthers Go is right!

[Mindtravellee]

Surely they introduce the ammo league rules (like in Aussie rules) that players must play X Games to qualify

[Scroopy Noopers]

Kiprusoff contract, Valimaki and expansion, teams push the rules the same as any other corporation pushes the rules. They have legal teams and do everything they can to gain an advantage within the rules.

It’s annoying and it sucks, but given the chance every team does stuff like this.

Just makes it sweeter if they lose in my opinion. Oh no, a cold Stamkos and Kucherov… big whoop. Beat them, Panthers will want it more.

[Macindoc]

The NHL has set a precedent of punishing teams for cap circumvention, even by means that were not explicitly against the rules at the time such cap circumvention took place. I think the league should do the same here, and set explicit rules going forward. There is absolutely no way a team should be allowed to keep the salaries of several of its top players off the books by choosing to not play them during the regular season, and still be able to play them during the playoffs, while also spending to the cap to replace them with high-quality players during the season who continue to be with the team during the playoffs.

Since players are paid only a stipend/per diem in the playoffs and this does not count toward the cap, the solution is to require the following:

1. All players who are healthy cannot remain on LTIR once cleared to play by a league-appointed physician. Decisions regarding fitness to play may not be made by a team or player's physician to avoid any suggestions of bias (although it would obviously be appropriate for the league-appointed physician to consult with physicians familiar with that player's care).

2. The sum of the AAV of all active players plus the AAV of all penalties, buyouts, and retained salary for each team must be cap compliant on any game day in the playoffs. No amount may be carried forward from one day to another in the playoffs.

3. When placing a player on LTIR, it is the responsibility of the team to plan for the cap implications of the return of that player to the lineup. If a player is no longer eligible for LTIR but their addition to the roster would cause a team to not be cap compliant, then that player may not rejoin the roster, and the team may not remove other players from the roster except by means of trade in order to make cap space for that player. This would put teams intentionally planning to circumvent the cap by abusing LTIR at a significant disadvantage by forcing them to make trades in unfavourable circumstances.

[Joborule]

Originally Posted by Mindtravellee

Surely they introduce the ammo league rules (like in Aussie rules) that players must play X Games to qualify

I have no issue with teams bringing players from their inactive roster (IR, callups, free agent signings) during the playoffs if they never played with the team during the regular season. Injuries and all that so gotta let the team have the opportunity to replace hurt players. But the cap shouldn't go completely out the window at that point.

[Sec214]

All it takes is one team doctor recognized by the league and they can't question it. Power move by the organization and the core players to have the opportunity to "Run it back".

Hate it, but its within the rules.

[browntrout]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Kiprusoff contract, Valimaki and expansion, teams push the rules the same as any other corporation pushes the rules. They have legal teams and do everything they can to gain an advantage within the rules.

It’s annoying and it sucks, but given the chance every team does stuff like this.

Just makes it sweeter if they lose in my opinion. Oh no, a cold Stamkos and Kucherov… big whoop. Beat them, Panthers will want it more.

Nice job deflecting the issue, yeah it sucks and they should be punished for it just like the Panthers were punished for the Luongo contract, they are circumventing the cap, they have been dishonest about Kucherov' s health and they should have to answer for it.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by browntrout

Nice job deflecting the issue, yeah it sucks and they should be punished for it just like the Panthers were punished for the Luongo contract, they are circumventing the cap, they have been dishonest about Kucherov' s health and they should have to answer for it.

That had nothing to do with his health. You’re trying to argue against team doctors to win this case, I don’t see it working out.

I don’t love it, but I’m also not overly concerned with it. Stacked teams get blown out in the playoffs all the time, nothing is a sure thing.

A playoff cap of some sort would be a good discussion to take from this. But unless there was something done along those lines, I don’t see how you can structure a penalty based against lying doctors. Are they really going to bring in a third party arbitrator for each teams physicians?

[Finger Cookin]

You might as well just scrap team doctors if you start down that road and have league employed and paid medical staff assigned to each team. Then you would have no complaints about impartiality or bias -- just like with the referees.

[getbak]

There are also a number of injuries where the doctors pretty much have to take the player's word for it regarding symptoms. They can run all the tests they want, but if a player says he isn't feeling right, the doctors can't really say he's lying.

Any team that wanted to pull this off under stricter scrutiny would just coach the player on the right things to say to the league's doctor.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Yeah, I can’t see the NHL going against recommendations of doctors. That’s got too many other broader implications.

They didn’t bat an eye towards the Hossa situation, wasn’t it an absurd seeming sudden laundry related allergy?

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Yeah, I can’t see the NHL going against recommendations of doctors. That’s got too many other broader implications.

They didn’t bat an eye towards the Hossa situation, wasn’t it an absurd seeming sudden laundry related allergy?

Likely because all reports had it as a legitimate situation.

Plus Hossa was still a very viable player on a decent cap hit.


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[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by browntrout

Nice job deflecting the issue, yeah it sucks and they should be punished for it just like the Panthers were punished for the Luongo contract, they are circumventing the cap, they have been dishonest about Kucherov' s health and they should have to answer for it.

While you may be correct, there is no real evidence that TB has been dishonest.


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