[PGT] Flames defeat Canucks 4-1

[Tron_fdc]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Nobody's cheering for a loss. We're just also not cheering for a win.

I know you’re being facetious, but there’s a lot of people wanting to lose to improve draft position. Unfortunately there’s a bunch of other teams doing the same thing, so there’s competition trying to be terrible.

Racing to the bottom is a bad idea IMO. Just ask Buffalo and Edmonton. It took a generational player to lift one of those franchises back into mediocrity.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Tron_fdc

I know you’re being facetious, but there’s a lot of people wanting to lose to improve draft position. Unfortunately there’s a bunch of other teams doing the same thing, so there’s competition trying to be terrible.

Racing to the bottom is a bad idea IMO. Just ask Buffalo and Edmonton. It took a generational player to lift one of those franchises back into mediocrity.

Tampa Bay, Washington, Pittsburgh, Los Angeles, and Chicago would say that racing to the bottom is actually the fastest way to the top.

[Tron_fdc]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Why are you a Flames fan if that is the case. There is no winning culture there.

So sucking your way into a better draft position helps that?

No thanks.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

I agree, but you can try to win with young kids from Stockton instead of trying to win with the likes of Leivo/Ritchie/Nordstrom/Nesterov/Stone in your lineup.

I like Sutter but I don’t understand what the point of playing those guys is anymore.

Uh, maybe he was trying to tank

[Jimdon]

There's not one person that I have heard from that understands or agrees with the Flames choice to continue playing crappy veterans instead of seeing what they have in the pipe. That includes the "analysts" sportsnet had on during the game.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Tron_fdc

So sucking your way into a better draft position helps that?

No thanks.

Not to get into the ever-cyclical argument on tanking, but teams that win it all have drafted very high at some point.

Even the 2019 Blues... drafted Pietrangelo at a draft position higher than any in Flames history.

Even the 2011 Bruins had a talented second overall pick on their roster.

Even the Tampa Bay Lightning who drafted very well in later rounds, still drafted Hedman at a draft position higher than any in Flames history.

Even the Los Angeles Kings who won with relatively low scoring teams, still drafted Drew Doughty at a draft position higher than any in Flames history.

Pretending you don't need to draft high is a loser culture.

[djsFlames]

The only loss I ever wasn't huge on was the win in Minnesota on the last day of the season on goals by vets that bumped us out of the Laine-winning lottery slot.

[flames_fan_down_under]

I am absolutely without questions rooting for losses. The NHL rewards losing and the higher the pick we get the odds of us being better in the future goes up. We are missing the playoffs, there is literally nothing to play for, there is no winning culture in the locker room to cultivate or maintain and it's a group of players that won't be together ever again, what exactly is there to gain by winning right now. There is no pride on the line as that was lost long ago with this group of players.

I am a fan of the Flames and I want to see a team that legitimately contends for a cup. The only way to do that is through amassing as many top picks as possible. I don't see it as a badge of honor to proudly display that "I will never cheer for a loss", because quite simply I guarantee that Penguins fans, or Blackhawks fans or Capitals fans wouldn't go back in time and trade those critical losses that put them in position to draft Crosby, Kane or Ovechkin for a meaningless late season, out of the playoffs, win. I know if I had that type of player coming down the pipeline, the possibility of increasing my odds of getting that player greatly greatly exceeds my need to see the Flames beat the Canucks in a meaningless game.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Not to get into the ever-cyclical argument on tanking, but teams that win it all have drafted very high at some point.

Even the 2019 Blues... drafted Pietrangelo at a draft position higher than any in Flames history.

Even the 2011 Bruins had a talented second overall pick on their roster.

Even the Tampa Bay Lightning who drafted very well in later rounds, still drafted Hedman at a draft position higher than any in Flames history.

Even the Los Angeles Kings who won with relatively low scoring teams, still drafted Drew Doughty at a draft position higher than any in Flames history.

Pretending you don't need to draft high is a loser culture.

Forgotten Bennett already?

[Jimdon]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Forgotten Bennett already?

Trying to.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Forgotten Bennett already?

I would prefer to forget this organization's incompetence on that one.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

I would prefer to forget this organization's incompetence on that one.

Agreed....complete waste of the highest ever pick in team history.

[CroFlames]

Some people #### all over the European soccer model, but the North American sports model encourages losing and tanking. And that is just wrong.

Not sure how to feel about this whole ordeal and season.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by flames_fan_down_under

I am absolutely without questions rooting for losses. The NHL rewards losing and the higher the pick we get the odds of us being better in the future goes up. We are missing the playoffs, there is literally nothing to play for, there is no winning culture in the locker room to cultivate or maintain and it's a group of players that won't be together ever again, what exactly is there to gain by winning right now. There is no pride on the line as that was lost long ago with this group of players.

I am a fan of the Flames and I want to see a team that legitimately contends for a cup. The only way to do that is through amassing as many top picks as possible. I don't see it as a badge of honor to proudly display that "I will never cheer for a loss", because quite simply I guarantee that Penguins fans, or Blackhawks fans or Capitals fans wouldn't go back in time and trade those critical losses that put them in position to draft Crosby, Kane or Ovechkin for a meaningless late season, out of the playoffs, win. I know if I had that type of player coming down the pipeline, the possibility of increasing my odds of getting that player greatly greatly exceeds my need to see the Flames beat the Canucks in a meaningless game.

The NHL rewards losing with draft picks if you’re a bunch of losers. They reward winning with the Stanley Cup. Not sure how or why it’d be any different.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

The only loss I ever wasn't huge on was the win in Minnesota on the last day of the season on goals by vets that bumped us out of the Laine-winning lottery slot.

Is Laine better than Tkachuk though?

I mean you could probably do that deal if you wanted to now

[dino7c]

The teams at the bottom of the league aren't tanking they have been there all year...nobody tries to lose

Flames are .500 of late, like they have been all year. They were only in the 6 spot because they had a ton of games in hand. If you really expected them to lose 10 straight that was as unlikely as winning 10 straight and making it

[Yoho]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1393051034025558017

[Jimdon]

Since the 2017 draft the only pick that the Flames have graduated is valimaki. Not to mention the picks they wasted on bringing in players that skunked.

Horrible asset management.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Agreed....complete waste of the highest ever pick in team history.

Totally agreed, pissed away 7 years of a player that immediately excelled elsewhere

[bax]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

The only loss I ever wasn't huge on was the win in Minnesota on the last day of the season on goals by vets that bumped us out of the Laine-winning lottery slot.

Tkachuk > Laine