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OldDutch · 05-01-2021, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by manhattanboy

ya darryl was brought in to save the season and to appease season ticket holders.

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Inferno · 05-01-2021, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Ya Darryl was brought in to save the season and to appease season ticket holders.

He was brought in to try and save the season but he was also brought in so that they could figure out which players really needed to be replaced.

Now they know how certain players perform under a good coach. Had they just finished the season with Ward those questions would still be up in the air.

Manhattanboy · 05-01-2021, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Inferno

He was brought in to try and save the season but he was also brought in so that they could figure out which players really needed to be replaced.

Now they know how certain players perform under a good coach. Had they just finished the season with Ward those questions would still be up in the air.

Well one of the owners told me they are concerned about STH renewals for next year post COVID and that hiring Darryl was a step in that regard.

Classic_Sniper · 05-01-2021, 11:13 PM

The game was over before the game even started. The Flames knew Montreal came back to win and then they proceeded to come out playing like ####. Maybe if the Lindholm line could also get some help, maybe this team would’ve stood a chance. This team can’t score. What else is new?

Roof-Daddy · 05-01-2021, 11:14 PM

####ing garbage organization

kyuss275 · 05-01-2021, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Well one of the owners told me they are concerned about STH renewals for next year post COVID and that hiring Darryl was a step in that regard.

That’s a horrible reason to hire a coach. Ownership is just as lost as the Gm and the players

Aarongavey · 05-01-2021, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

####ing garbage organization

Not sure that is fair. Sure they traded two first round picks and 5 second round picks in a 24 month period at the start of the rebuild. Sure those 7 picks would have been cost controlled for the first 3 years of their contracts and would have been RFA'S after that. Sure the players they brought in for them were significantly more expensive than the high draft picks would have been. And Sure no other rebuilding team that I can think of has ever tried to goose their rebuild 3 years in by trading futures assets for present assets. And I doubt any will try that again. But something had to be done and Brad did it.

SeanCharles · 05-01-2021, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

The game was over before the game even started. The Flames knew Montreal came back to win and then they proceeded to come out playing like ####. Maybe if the Lindholm line could also get some help, maybe this team would’ve stood a chance. This team can’t score. What else is new?

Even with all the misery I have liked that line.

I still like Gaudreau, Lindholm, Tkachuk, Dube and Mangiapane out of the forwards.

Manhattanboy · 05-01-2021, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by kyuss275

That’s a horrible reason to hire a coach. Ownership is just as lost as the Gm and the players

Can you imagine the renewal rate if Ward was not fired, then or now?

Ownership wanted an experienced coach.

3rd liner · 05-01-2021, 11:21 PM

Wow. I knew Mike smith was a pr***...... But just saw the PG interview where a reporter asked that Sasquatch faced **** if it was extra satisfying that this win put a nail in the flames coffin. Stares at the camera and says ‘yup’.
You’re gonna get it Smith. Seeya next year.

DeluxeMoustache · 05-01-2021, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Well one of the owners told me they are concerned about STH renewals for next year post COVID and that hiring Darryl was a step in that regard.

That sucks when multimillionaires are desperate

Life is hard. I feel for them

soulchoice · 05-01-2021, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by 3rd liner

Mike smith is such a garbage human . Just saw the PG interview where a reporter asked that Sasquatch faced **** if it was extra satisfying that this win put a nail in the flames coffin. Stares at the camera and says ‘yup’.
You’re gonna get it Smith.

I don't hate Smith overall, except when he stares at a dman after a goal. But, at least he is backing up his words with intensity and is having an outstanding season so far.

If I was him, I'd be happy to have put a nail in the coffin on a team that let me go two seasons ago as well.

DeluxeMoustache · 05-01-2021, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Can you imagine the renewal rate if Ward was not fired, then or now?

Ownership wanted an experienced coach.

Well who pays and/or has the ear and career fate of the ####ing loser GM?

What is happening here?

dino7c · 05-01-2021, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by soulchoice

I don't hate Smith overall, except when he stares at a dman after a goal. But, at least he is backing up his words with intensity and is having an outstanding season so far.

If I was him, I'd be happy to have put a nail in the coffin on a team that let me go two seasons ago as well.

And I will be happy when he fails in the playoffs again

Strange Brew · 05-01-2021, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by 3rd liner

Wow. I knew Mike smith was a pr***...... But just saw the PG interview where a reporter asked that Sasquatch faced **** if it was extra satisfying that this win put a nail in the flames coffin. Stares at the camera and says ‘yup’.
You’re gonna get it Smith. Seeya next year.

He won the game. The winners get to eliminate the losers and feel good about it.

Manhattanboy · 05-01-2021, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Well who has the ear and career fate of the ####ing loser GM?

That remains to be seen.

Mathgod · 05-01-2021, 11:26 PM

Might as well name the new building Middling Arena.

That is, if there even will be one...

soulchoice · 05-01-2021, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Well who has the ear and career fate of the ####ing loser GM?

Maybe the Flames are currently in negotiations for a Boston Pizza deal at the dome for the Flames games next year. Hence, they may allow a GM with proven loser results over 7 years to stay on board.

Savvy27 · 05-01-2021, 11:28 PM

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The "legit head coach" has done nothing to improve the team or their style of play. It is the exact same style and system as Ward had them playing. Not a helluva lot has changed. They are just as bad under Sutter as they were under Ward.

It is not the same style... you've got some strong opinions for not being able to recognize systems.

Calgary4LIfe · 05-01-2021, 11:28 PM

Well, season's essentially over. Too big of a gap now, and too much of a miracle needed.

I expect the Flames to continue to fight for a playoff spot, but now I think you have to shift to rewarding and prioritizing what's important.

Absolutely nobody on the team should be a question mark. However many games left is irrelevant when it comes down to who should stay or go. I look at the last 10 games or so as being more critical - who stepped up? Who looked out of place. I have 4 or 5 guys that I really want to keep, and around 4 or 5 that I say need to go. Rest are just filler. This was the last important game upon which we could measure who is willing to do what is necessary to help this team win.

I want Kylington and Phillips in next game. If Monahan is injured, shut him down already. Nesterov or Stone (Stone has been excellent for the most part though) can sit so that Kylington can get at least a fraction of the development time that they should be giving him. Mackey should come in as well. Might as well get Ruzicka in.

Player/Replacement:
Nesterov/Kylington
Stone/Mackey
Ryan/Ruzicka
Norstrom-Ritchie-Robinson-Phillips

However, best bet to increase the draft position is to keep playing these vets.

Discouraging step back this season, especially coming at the most embarrassing time in having to play all the Canadian teams. Flames are a laughing-stock this year. We can argue all we want over the last few years' worth of performances, but 2nd in the NHL and losing to a good team in Colorado was only mildly embarrassing. Losing last year to Dallas who were a cup finalist, but seconds away from being up 3-1 in the series wasn't too embarrassing. This season? I feel it has been embarrassing.

I am guessing that what was wrong with this team is that they learned to stop working hard. That's what Gulutzan taught them, and Peters, and Ward. Practices became slow and uninspired. They then play like they practice (something I have always combined). That is in large measure why the Oilers sucked so bad for years. I said that Tippett is a good coach, and he does have the Oilers playing harder and having success, even though the majority of that team is crap.

Sutter is a damn good coach. I am sure he knows which players he is able to crack open and which players he thinks he needs to kick to the curb. Hopefully him and Treliving can agree and Treliving can start making the necessary moves.

I do think that this can be a quick turnaround. I am all for a complete rebuild, but it just isn't going to happen, and I do think a rebuild isnt the only way to go about it either.

I expect a big off-season here. Don't know what is going to happen, and I am not even sure that Treliving will still be around, but changes are sure to come.