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Johnny Makarov · 03-23-2021, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Teroy

Where the heck is Marc Savard in all of this? He's supposed to be our super star.
I hardly think Marc Savard will do any better on another team. Unless they have two wingers who will do all the work while he just floats around the ice. Getting rid of him will change the entire dynamic of the Flames. Move him while we can get something for him.

We've seen this before.

MillerTime GFG · 03-23-2021, 02:04 PM

Don't let statistics get in the way of your argument Teroy! You keep going!

dissentowner · 03-23-2021, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Teroy

I guess he was there all by himself! Or was Gaudreau with him?

Gaudreau has better stats defensively than Monahan since Sutter took over so not sure what you are driving at here. Gaudreau's job is to create offence, he has been doing that. What exactly does Monahan do? Anything? I think both need a change of scenery at this point but for different reasons.

heep223 · 03-23-2021, 02:12 PM

For all the talk about stats in here I don’t see any stats in here

CSharp · 03-23-2021, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by dissentowner

Gaudreau has better stats defensively than Monahan since Sutter took over so not sure what you are driving at here. Gaudreau's job is to create offence, he has been doing that. What exactly does Monahan do? Anything? I think both need a change of scenery at this point but for different reasons.

He was going to the hard areas (corners and front of the net) - actually he seemed to have been doing it with Ward as the head coach.

Wastedyouth · 03-23-2021, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by dissentowner

This. I will be happy for him too, between Eric Francis and this ungrateful fan base who could blame him for wanting out of here? Tkachuk will be the next good player the media and the fans will want to run out of town. Actually, that is already starting. I think half our fanbase is only happy when the team is struggling so they can bitch and complain.

Ain't that the truth.

Classic_Sniper · 03-23-2021, 02:33 PM

Is anyone really shocked that Gaudreau has flaws in his game? He went 104th overall in his draft year. Of course he has flaws. Do his flaws keep him from being a good player? No it doesn’t. I posted this the other day that there were only 5 players ahead of him in even strength scoring since he arrived to the league: Kane, McDavid, Crosby, Kucherov, Marchand. It’s pretty damn impressive that the Flames had a player of this caliber especially at a relatively minuscule cap hit of $6.75M.

The Flames have done very little to help insulate him with the necessary help to foster the growth of his abilities. He’s probably closer to a Kane or Kucherov out of all the players I listed and look at the teams that were built around Kane and Kucherov. Tampa Bay looked like a damn All Star team last season when they won the Cup and they’re still kicking ass right now with Kucherov on the sidelines.

This organization failed Gaudreau here, not the other way around. Just like they failed Iggy. Sure Gaudreau isn’t perfect, but McDavid isn’t perfect defensively either and it’s not like Gaudreau cost this team a 1st round pick. He was a 4th round pick that turned into one of the best offensive players in the league. That’s pure luck, but this organization’s lack of vision and mismanagement of assets screwed up a once promising future.

DiracSpike · 03-23-2021, 02:38 PM

I don't want to run Gaudreau out of town but as a fan the team is in a tough spot with him. Between his impending free agency and how this team has clearly hit a ceiling with him as the best player the Flames are basically going to be forced to trade him. Or they can be stubborn, hold on for one more mediocre season and lose him for nothing when he walks in 2022. Those are the choices, everyone talking purely about JG's skills or shortcomings are missing the big picture.

CsInMyBlood · 03-23-2021, 02:39 PM

I'm not trading Gaudreau until I see him play with another center.

Monahan is the problem, he is the invisible man. At least it wasn't so bad when he was scoring goals but now he doesn't. Johnny needs someone more dynamic to get the best out of him.

Iggy_12 · 03-23-2021, 02:44 PM

Its going to be extremely disappointing to see the return Johnny brings.

Monahan honestly i dont care i think hes completely underwhelming player, will be happy to just not have him on the team, hes not a winner

browntrout · 03-23-2021, 02:46 PM

In all honesty what a horrible trade proposal...what the heck has TK even accomplished and we're sending our best player there for a guy who broke 60 points one time in his career....am I missing something here

browntrout · 03-23-2021, 02:48 PM

If that is the expected return grab draft picks and just do a proper rebuild...all it is is another meddling 5-6 million dollar forward, we have enough of those type of support players already...TK is not getting us to the promise land

GreenLantern2814 · 03-23-2021, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by CsInMyBlood

I'm not trading Gaudreau until I see him play with another center.

Monahan is the problem, he is the invisible man. At least it wasn't so bad when he was scoring goals but now he doesn't. Johnny needs someone more dynamic to get the best out of him.

I don’t know if Monahan is the problem - I think it’s as likely that consistently saddling these two with an AHL player and asking them to turn chicken #### into chicken salad has had a detrimental effect.

Because when they play with anyone who’s even halfway competent at the NHL level - Hudler, Ferland, Jagr, Lindholm - they’re damn good.

It’s a problem that they’re both flawed in the same way - butter soft and easily knocked off the puck.

It’s on the GM for failing to acquire forward talent.

We spend all these assets on Dougie Hamilton, and Travis Hamonic when we already had Norris Gio and Ascendant Brodie on the roster eating 25 a night, and we’ve since drafted Andersson, Kylington, and Valimaki

If we’d done nothing instead of trading for Hamilton, our #1C would be Matt Barzal.

ONE impact top-6 forward added since the Tkachuk draft is pathetic.

Signing 45 year old Jaromir Jagr wasn’t a horrible idea, if it had happened in August and Jagr had time to properly prepare - go watch AC’s compilation, Jagr made things happen every game he played for us.

Signing 45 year old Jaromir Jagr in the first week of the season is pathetic.

Vinny01 · 03-23-2021, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by browntrout

If that is the expected return grab draft picks and just do a proper rebuild...all it is is another meddling 5-6 million dollar forward, we have enough of those type of support players already...TK is not getting us to the promise land

If you look at the current direction of the organization then a Konecny-Gaudreau swap is exactly the type of deal the organization is looking to make. They add a core piece who is a couple years younger than Gaudreau and signed longer. I mentioned this earlier in the thread but I think Konecny fits better with Sutter than Gaudreau does. I also feel that Gaudreau would thrive playing for Vigneault.

Flames are in win now for the rest of Sutter’s contract. They are in it to win it if fans believe it or not. I assume all the deals the Flames make with their core will be geared towards winning now and likely trying to build around Tkachuk.

EVERLAST · 03-23-2021, 03:05 PM

Oh FFS....here we go.

We traded Iginla too late.....Johnny doesn't do playoffs well and somebody wants to suggest it's #23s fault.....oh please!!!

It's time ....I'll drive Johnny to the airport. I'll take Tre for dinner after and blow him ffs .....just get it done.

The excuses made for poor poor Johnny make me wanna puke. We've had small players here before .....Mullen, Loob, Fleury, Byron that made more of an impact and 3 of those guys of cups ffs.....and Hudler ffs.

I'm as sentimental as the next guy but this guy continues to float and do his own thing and do it WHEN he wants and is good and God damned ready ffs.

How many Ffs ....should be a drinking game with me I thinks .....lol.

I'm ready to move on from Johnny and #19 , 23 and #5 aren't far behind.

I don't care about a flat cap and the pandemic blah blah blah horse shirt.

Make a f ing decision. Darryl Sutter of all people should be able to fix this but he's now just a coach with a fully neutered GM who cannot be trusted anymore....

I keep cheering for this team .....please doctor ....help prescribe me with pain killers .
Witch doctor.....take away the voodoo that ails this team .

You made one good move .....Bringing back Darryl.....Halle####ingluuuuulah!!!!

Let's make a deal....time to make.more changes.

Ps.....Phillips needs to be called up NOW....let's see what we have.

Fail big or go home .....we haven't even tried and people are writing off the idea of calling up Phillips ....because he's tiny.

He might be tiny but at least you'll know he's on the ice ffs.

Ffs.

Macho0978 · 03-23-2021, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DiracSpike

I don't want to run Gaudreau out of town but as a fan the team is in a tough spot with him. Between his impending free agency and how this team has clearly hit a ceiling with him as the best player the Flames are basically going to be forced to trade him. Or they can be stubborn, hold on for one more mediocre season and lose him for nothing when he walks in 2022. Those are the choices, everyone talking purely about JG's skills or shortcomings are missing the big picture.

I agree. Johnny has been my favourite player since he came into the league and he has been amazing for most of his time as a Flame. If Brad Treliving can land a #1 center, top 6 RW moving out pieces like Monahan, Bennett, Ryan and picks and prospects then turn around and resign Johnny and Tkachuk and other young RFA's like Valimaki and Dube in a salary cap that probably remains flat for 2 to 3 years then great lets keep Johnny. I just don't think anyone that thinks this is going to happen is being realistic.

Probably need a #1 dman too as it's pretty clear that Gio is no longer a top pairing dman let alone a norris calibre dman. Tanev and Hanifin have been great but some of our offensive struggles are due to these guys being more defensive and maybe that PPG QB PP dman that Gio was is missing? Maybe we struggle to score as we under valued how good he was a few years ago. 70 point dman don't grow on trees either and we will be lucky to have someone put up 0.5 PPG pace this season.

Not sure if we should do this deal but moving Johnny for TK does fix the up and coming cap issues. He is a top 6 RW and if you like the idea of a retool and plan to win come 22/23 season this would be a great step towards building a great team in the future even if we take a step back this year and next.

Also would drive our first up a bit. Who knows maybe one year we will get lucky and win the draft lottery. If not I don't mind adding a top 8 pick to our prospect pool.

Gio might raise his hand to chase a cup if we moved Johnny too. I'd like to see that.

These moves helps with expansion draft protect list issues.

I love Johnny but I just don't see this team fixing our issues before he is a UFA.

Wastedyouth · 03-23-2021, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by EVERLAST

Oh FFS....here we go.

We traded Iginla too late.....Johnny doesn't do playoffs well and somebody wants to suggest it's #23s fault.....oh please!!!

It's time ....I'll drive Johnny to the airport. I'll take Tre for dinner after and blow him ffs .....just get it done.

The excuses made for poor poor Johnny make me wanna puke. We've had small players here before .....Mullen, Loob, Fleury, Byron that made more of an impact and 3 of those guys of cups ffs.....and Hudler ffs.

I'm as sentimental as the next guy but this guy continues to float and do his own thing and do it WHEN he wants and is good and God damned ready ffs.

How many Ffs ....should be a drinking game with me I thinks .....lol.

I'm ready to move on from Johnny and #19 , 23 and #5 aren't far behind.

I don't care about a flat cap and the pandemic blah blah blah horse shirt.

Make a f ing decision. Darryl Sutter of all people should be able to fix this but he's now just a coach with a fully neutered GM who cannot be trusted anymore....

I keep cheering for this team .....please doctor ....help prescribe me with pain killers .
Witch doctor.....take away the voodoo that ails this team .

You made one good move .....Bringing back Darryl.....Halle####ingluuuuulah!!!!

Let's make a deal....time to make.more changes.

Ps.....Phillips needs to be called up NOW....let's see what we have.

Fail big or go home .....we haven't even tried and people are writing off the idea of calling up Phillips ....because he's tiny.

He might be tiny but at least you'll know he's on the ice ffs.

Ffs.

You might want to just take a break for a while.

Just sayin'.

Bonded · 03-23-2021, 03:27 PM

I just don't get why they won't break up Monahan and Gaudreau, have they demanded to play together or what. Switch Backlund and Monahan or something.

browntrout · 03-23-2021, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Bonded

I just don't get why they won't break up Monahan and Gaudreau, have they demanded to play together or what. Switch Backlund and Monahan or something.

Monahan is useless without Gaudreau.

Lanny_McDonald · 03-23-2021, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by EVERLAST

Oh FFS....here we go.

That was fun! Ffs.