[Rumour] Lucic expected to be asked to waive NMC for expansion draft

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Good Backlund is a Selke candidate. And vastly under-rated.

But bad Backlund is a soft player that can be completely ineffective.

I like Backlund, but I think the variance in his level of play is too great. He needs to be mentally tougher. And harder to play against (all the time).

Bergeron is effective all the time. Backlund is not. The team depends on him to be a quality 2-way forward but he's only that player for half the season. It's why I think he should probably be left unprotected in the expansion draft.

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Since the thread has now fully morphed into an expansion draft discussion, I am curious where people sit on the following:

expose Gio, then offer a 1st to get him back, with some retention (let's say 50% for discussion)

who says no?

Flames say no for sure. You're essentially giving up a 1st for $3M of cap relief for one year.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

Flames say no for sure. You're essentially giving up a 1st for $3M of cap relief for one year.

a 1st for the retention of Gio plus $3.375M in cap space

[Enoch Root]

Teams MUST expose, at a minimum:

2 forwards under contract for 21-22 (some additional details)
1 defenseman under contract
1 goalie under contract

At this point, they do not have enough bodies to meet those requirements, they have Lucic (hopefully), and one of the 4 defensemen. They need to sign Bennett, and then expose him or Backlund. Or sign another player to expose.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

a 1st for the retention of Gio plus $3.375M in cap space

Gio is going to retire in the near future. That is ridiculous

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

don't we have to expose 2 skaters though?

I might be wrong here, but if we don't expose Gio (or one of the 4, and it won't be any of the other 3), wouldn't we have to sign someone else to expose?

Oh, I’d expose him. I doubt he gets claimed. And I’m assuming Lucic is exposed.

I’m protecting Monahan, Lindholm, Gaudreau, Tkachuk, Dube, Mangiapane, Backlund/Bennett, Tanev, Rasmus, Hanifin, Markstrom

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Oh, I’d expose him. I doubt he gets claimed. And I’m assuming Lucic is exposed.

I’m protecting Monahan, Lindholm, Gaudreau, Tkachuk, Dube, Mangiapane, Backlund/Bennett, Tanev, Rasmus, Hanifin, Markstrom

Keep in mind though, that if you do that, you lose Bennett or Backlund.

It isn't just Gio and cap space for a 1st, it is also that you lose no one.

[Enoch Root]

To summarize the proposal:

option 1) you lose one of Backlund / Bennett / Giordano

option 2) you give up a 1st for $3.375M in cap space, and lose no one

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Teams MUST expose, at a minimum:

2 forwards under contract for 21-22 (some additional details)
1 defenseman under contract
1 goalie under contract

At this point, they do not have enough bodies to meet those requirements, they have Lucic (hopefully), and one of the 4 defensemen. They need to sign Bennett, and then expose him or Backlund. Or sign another player to expose.

Can they not expose Stone and Ryan?
Engelland was a pending UFA and ended up being taken.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

To summarize the proposal:

option 1) you lose one of Backlund / Bennett / Giordano

option 2) you give up a 1st for $3.375M in cap space, and lose no one

1) And it’s Lucic/Bennett/Gio, unless Bennett picks it up.

[schteve_d]

I would expect that he waves.

Every time I think about I do chuckle a little. It's got be a bit of an awkward conversation: "Hey Looch, we need you to wave your NMC. At that ridiculous contract, and given what you contribute, let's face it, they are NOT going to take you off our hands. Just waive it and everything will be fine".

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Teams MUST expose, at a minimum:

2 forwards under contract for 21-22 (some additional details)
1 defenseman under contract
1 goalie under contract

At this point, they do not have enough bodies to meet those requirements, they have Lucic (hopefully), and one of the 4 defensemen. They need to sign Bennett, and then expose him or Backlund. Or sign another player to expose.

Doesn't a guy like Byron Froese help the Flames meet the requirement of two forwards under contract if Lucic is the other?

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Can they not expose Stone and Ryan?
Engelland was a pending UFA and ending up being taken.

they have to be signed

and remember, if you sign a player, and they aren't selected, they're yours

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by schteve_d

I would expect that he waves.

Every time I think about I do chuckle a little. It's got be a bit of an awkward conversation: "Hey Looch, we need you to wave your NMC. At that ridiculous contract, and given what you contribute, let's face it, they are NOT going to take you off our hands. Just waive it and everything will be fine".

I personally hope (and believe judging by everything I have seen) that Lucic is smart enough and a big enough dude that this type of conversation doesn't even need to occur. At this point if his pride is injured by a convo like this then he has his head buried in the sand lol.

I dont even understand the purpose of this report, originally. Was it designed to just cause extra unneeded media drama? Of course Lucic would be asked to waive. His contract has been widely called for over 2 years the worst in the league. He must know this. The team obviously knows this. No doubt BT has previously brought up this possibility in the past.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

1) And it’s Lucic/Bennett/Gio, unless Bennett picks it up.

But Bennett has to sign to be exposed. If the season doesn't go well for him, he can make it difficult on the Flames. If they give him a raise to get him signed, and then Seattle takes Gio, you're stuck with an over-priced and unhappy Bennett.

It isn't as straight-forward as it first seems.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

Doesn't a guy like Byron Froese help the Flames meet the requirement of two forwards under contract if Lucic is the other?

No, they have to have played at least 40 games last year

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

No, they have to have played at least 40 games last year

Or 70 over two right? I wonder if they reduce those numbers down for the two shortened seasons leading up to this.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

Or 70 over two right? I wonder if they reduce those numbers down for the two shortened seasons leading up to this.

https://www.nhl.com/news/seattle-kra...ed/c-302586918

this is specific to Seattle

[getbak]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Can they not expose Stone and Ryan?
Engelland was a pending UFA and ending up being taken.

They will be exposed, but they don't meet those specific requirements unless they are signed (and meet the games played requirement).

For the Vegas draft, Engelland didn't meet those specific requirement for exposure, but Vegas chose to take him anyway.

The Flames players who did meet that requirement who were left exposed were Bouma, Brouwer, and Bartkowski. Not surprisingly, Vegas wasn't interested.

[gunnner]

Backlund and Gio, probably the two players I am most concerned about so far this season. Warning signs were there last year that the foot speed was declining, confirmation showing up this year. I hope that turns around.