[Trade] Jets trade Laine (26% retained) and Roslovic to Columbus for PLD and 2022 3rd

[Red_Baron]

ROR looked like a bum in Colorado at the same age but looks pretty solid nowadays.

Pretty similar player so I'd be happy to have him-depending on the price.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by New Era

If the Flames can make a deal for PLD without dipping into the core they should be all over it. I still say you do Hanifin ($4.95) and Bennett ($2.55) for PLD ($5.0). One really good player in Hanifin and then a reclamation project in Bennett that could still turn into something (sell that hope Tre). A little risk for both teams, but one where the Flames take on a higher potential return if PLD gets his #### together. As it is, PLD would come in and be viewed as a support player and not the guy to carry the mail. Might help him get it together.

To CBJ: Noah Hanifin, 2021 1st round pick (add in a 2nd or a 3rd if needed)
To CGY: Pierre Luc Dubois

Tkachuk - Lindholm - Dube
Gaudreau - Monahan - Mangiapane
Bennett - Dubois - Ryan
Lucic - Backlund - Leivo

Giordano - Andersson
Valimaki - Tanev
Mackey - Nesterov

Markstrom
Rittich

Have Simon and Kylington be "first guys in" when injuries strike. We maintain depth up front, while pushing Valimaki into a key position. I was initially thinking that trading Hanifin would be too big of a mistake, but he only played 15:26 against Vancouver in the 2nd game. While he's damn good and that defensive depth will make us be a strong team in a division filled with weak defensive groups, it's probably something we could live without if Mackey is ready for 14 minutes a night on the bottom pairing.

Then in the summer you expose Bennett and Backlund and let Seattle choose whichever they prefer.

[Johnny Makarov]

If we could get Dubois for Hanifin and Bennett...

slap an express post sticker on their ass and drop them off at the nearest Canada Post location.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

You have to give to get so this deal makes sense. I do think Bennett could thrive playing for a guy like Torts and in a fresh start. I am concerned the Flamesnwould be selling low on Hanifin who was somewhat wasted having to play with Hamonic for the last 2 years. It is early but he looks good with Tanev and did look good with Anderson

Having said that it allows them to get Valimaki in the top 4 and Mackey/Kylington in the lineup so they do have the depth to make this move. I assume this moves Lindholm to the wing and playing with Tkachuk and PLD and a healthy Dube getting a look with Monahan and Gaudreau. Mangiapane with Backlund and Leivo and Lucic, Ryan, Simon.

They dont want them in the lineup.....or they would already be there.

Mackey is just to raw...never played a minute of pro hockey.

Kylington they havent wanted in the line up full time since last trade deadline when BT went out and got 2 LH dmen that slotted in ahead of him immediately.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by CsInMyBlood

Every team in the league should be interested in a big skilled 22 year old oozing with potential.

There is no doubt to me Monahan is where it starts for Columbus. After watching Colorado then Dallas dismantle us in the playoffs its beyond obvious this team needs a big shake up.

Treliving knows this. This is the perfect shake up that will benefit the team for years to come.

Yeah we shouldn’t let two wins against an abysmal Canucks team change our perspective of what we have seen in the playoffs.

Whether it’s Monahan or not, we should be in taking a risk mode.

[GreenLantern2814]

I’m as big a Kylington fan as there is on the board, but this is accurate - if the team thought OK was good enough, he’d be playing.

They don’t trust him.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

To CBJ: Noah Hanifin, 2021 1st round pick (add in a 2nd or a 3rd if needed)
To CGY: Pierre Luc Dubois

Tkachuk - Lindholm - Dube
Gaudreau - Monahan - Mangiapane
Bennett - Dubois - Ryan
Lucic - Backlund - Leivo

Giordano - Andersson
Valimaki - Tanev
Mackey - Nesterov

Markstrom
Rittich

Have Simon and Kylington be "first guys in" when injuries strike. We maintain depth up front, while pushing Valimaki into a key position. I was initially thinking that trading Hanifin would be too big of a mistake, but he only played 15:26 against Vancouver in the 2nd game. While he's damn good and that defensive depth will make us be a strong team in a division filled with weak defensive groups, it's probably something we could live without if Mackey is ready for 14 minutes a night on the bottom pairing.

Then in the summer you expose Bennett and Backlund and let Seattle choose whichever they prefer.

This makes no sense putting Dubois on the third line with scrubs and Backlund on the 4th line. Bringing in a guy who is a first line center and putting him on your third line? I am sure he will be pumped for that.

I agree with your D pairings but here is how I would run those lines

Tkachuk-Dubois-Lindholm
Gaudreau-Monahan-Dube
Mangiapane-Backlund-Bennett
Lucic-Ryan-Leivo

Gives the flames one of the best top 6 groups in the league. Problem is I just don’t see Hanifin+1st being the best offer on the table. Adding Bennett to that package would be fine by me but not sure it moves the needle for the Jackets? Flames plug Simon on the Backlund line and it still looks like a stacked group

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by transplant99

They dont want them in the lineup.....or they would already be there.

Mackey is just to raw...never played a minute of pro hockey.

Kylington they havent wanted in the line up full time since last trade deadline when BT went out and got 2 LH dmen that slotted in ahead of him immediately.

They also have the depth to not have them in the lineup. End of the day I think it is a moot point because Hanifin will not be the centerpiece of this deal. Columbus will do better.

[SuperMatt18]

I'm trying to look at the teams rumored and think what the return would be:

Anaheim:

- Zegras is going to be the obvious ask from Columbus, but no chance they move him. Personally I don't see a "hockey" deal that makes sense, unless Columbus likes Rakell. Personally I don't think Anaheim will be a player here.

- Potential offer: Rakell + Steel/Comtois + Picks


Minnesota:

- Similar to Anaheim the most attractive piece for Columbus is probably Rossi, but don't think they are trading him. From on the roster Dumba, Fiala or Eriksson Ek could be pieces at play. They also own 2 1st round picks in 2021.

Potential Offer: Eriksson Ek + Boldy + Pittsburgh 2021 1st


Montreal:

- Suzuki, Kotkaniemi are probably the starting place for a trade. I doubt Suzuki is on the table but Kotkaniemi is a piece, Caufield is another option. Tatar or Danault would need to be included too for cap reasons.

Potential Offer: Kotkaniemi + Tatar + Pick/Prospects



Winnipeg:

-Don't think we see a Laine for Dubois swap but think Winnipeg has some other options like Ehlers, or Roslovic. I had thought about Connor for Dubois straight up too, but doubt Winnipeg would move a player that's committed to the city long term for a question mark.

Winnipeg might also try to convince Laine to stay if they get him a top center to play with like Dubois (he usually doesn't play with Scheifele)

Potential Offer: Ehlers+Roslovic


Ottawa:

- The piece that would make the most sense as a starting point here to me would be Colin White, with other picks/prospects added. No way the Senators would look at Chabot, Tkachuk, or Stutzle in the deal.

- Potential Offer: White + 2 to 3 of Batherson/Norris/Brown/Picks


Rangers:

- Could see Strome or Buchnevich being part of the deal. Would most likely include Kakko too, hasn't really impressed in New York but maybe Jarmo is a fan. Some rumors that they are looking to move Deangelo too.

- Potential offer: Strome/Buchnevich + Kakko + Pick


Buffalo:

- Have to think that Reinhart would be the main piece here if it's more of a hockey trade. Columbus likely asks for Cozens but similar to Zegras in Anaheim I don't see him being moved. Been rumoured that Buffalo would be willing to move Mittelstadt to upgrade their forward group.

Potential Trade: Reinhart + Mittelstadt + Picks


Philadelphia:

-This is the dark horse to me. They could put together an intriguing package that doesn't take away from their roster too much. Lots of young forwards that could be of interest to Columbus (Frost, Farabee, Patrick) and some good young d-men too (Sanheim, Myers). I do wonder if they'd be willing to move Konecny too.

-Potential Trade: Frost/Patrick + Sanheim + Pick


Detroit:

-There was noise around Mantha in the offseason and that could be an interesting starting point. Likely would need to be prospects or picks added.

- Potential Trade: Mantha + Zadina


Washington:

-In terms of a "hockey" trade the name that stands out on the roster would be Vrana. Nothing else that really fits the bill to me. McMichael and Lapierre are two prospects I could see Columbus being interested in though.

-Potential Trade: Vrana + McMichael + Pick


Arizona:

- Feel like it's one of Schmaltz or Dvorak as part of the trade, with add ons to help even up the value. Columbus likely tries to ask for Hayton too but don't see that happening.

Potential Trade: Dvorak + Soderstrom + Picks


Vegas:

-I feel like Alex Tuch would be the roster piece included here on Vegas side, as I don't see Columbus wanting Karlsson back, and I think Columbus will want somebody younger than Smith or Marchessault in return.

- Potential Trade: Tuch + Glass + Pick


Colorado:

-The "hockey" trade would probably be Kadri as part of the piece, but the real trump card that I think Colorado holds here is Byram. Kid is likely going to be great, but they have the defensive depth to be able to move him for Dubois without batting an eyelash. If I'm Colorado I'm trying to keep Kadri and use Byram as the piece to get Dubois

-Potential Trade: Compher + Calvert (cap reasons) + Byram


When I look at this I think that the Flames would have a good shot with a package around Monahan. IMO he would be the best center that could potentially be made available in a trade.

The dark horses IMO would be New York (could include Kakko), Philadelphia (could afford the best overall package of young NHLers), and Colorado (Byram).

And really the Colorado one is the scary one because IF Byram is available then I think Colorado becomes the front runner.

[transplant99]

Yeah there is no way Hanifin is the center piece of any deal anyhow.

Kekalainen will want a top line F, and most likely a C, back in any deal. Their blueline is pretty good now, so they will address a need which is definitely up front.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

This makes no sense putting Dubois on the third line with scrubs and Backlund on the 4th line. Bringing in a guy who is a first line center and putting him on your third line? I am sure he will be pumped for that.

I agree with your D pairings but here is how I would run those lines

Tkachuk-Dubois-Lindholm
Gaudreau-Monahan-Dube
Mangiapane-Backlund-Bennett
Lucic-Ryan-Leivo

Gives the flames one of the best top 6 groups in the league. Problem is I just don’t see Hanifin+1st being the best offer on the table. Adding Bennett to that package would be fine by me but not sure it moves the needle for the Jackets? Flames plug Simon on the Backlund line and it still looks like a stacked group

This team rolls lines now, there is no difference between lines 1-3.

Here, I'll rearrange it:

Bennett - Dubois - Mangiapane
Tkachuk - Lindholm - Dube
Gaudreau - Monahan - Simon
Lucic - Backlund - Ryan

Now he's a first line player!

The whole idea is that this team is already good, and are not bringing in some saviour. Lines 1-3 all get equal even strength time, with players gaining extra minutes on special teams (which Dubois would be involved in).

Tkachuk - Lindholm - Dube are performing like an elite line, and Lindholm is a centre now. You do not mess with that line.

[Flames1217]

Originally Posted by Red_Baron

ROR looked like a bum in Colorado at the same age but looks pretty solid nowadays.

Pretty similar player so I'd be happy to have him-depending on the price.

Ryan O Rielly was putting up 55-65 points at the same age and was considered a great two way player.

Since coming into the league ROR has never looked like a bum.

[MikeMc]

Originally Posted by bax

For the record, I don't think Bennett or Backlund could do Monahan's job. Not at all.

To be fair (to be faiiiirrrr) Monahan also can't do Backlund's job.

Bennett can't do either of their jobs.

And i guess neither Backs and Monahan can play rough and tough playoff hockey and take terrible penalties in the offensive zone while playing on the 3rd/4th line during the regular season (they can't do Bennett's job?).

[Textcritic]

If Mikael Backlund is not in your top three lines then you are doing it wrong.

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[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

This team rolls lines now, there is no difference between lines 1-3.

Here, I'll rearrange it:

Bennett - Dubois - Mangiapane
Tkachuk - Lindholm - Dube
Gaudreau - Monahan - Simon
Lucic - Backlund - Ryan

Now he's a first line player!

The whole idea is that this team is already good, and are not bringing in some saviour. Lines 1-3 all get equal even strength time, with players gaining extra minutes on special teams (which Dubois would be involved in).

Tkachuk - Lindholm - Dube are performing like an elite line, and Lindholm is a centre now. You do not mess with that line.

At least you give him a half decent winger in Mangiapane this time. I still like the look of the lines with Lindholm shifting to wing in order to stack the top 9 and not waste Backlund on the 4th line. The top guys still want 18-20 minutes so not so easy to just roll the lines and you will want to give your stars more ice time. Just my thoughts though but I am not a fan of spreading out the centers by thinning out the wings. Good problem to have but I think a Lindholm shift back to the wing makes the most sense in your trade scenario.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

If Mikael Backlund is not in your top three lines then you are doing it wrong.

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That's why he should be traded or picked up by Seattle.

[keenan87]

I would like the Flames to acquire PLD but honestly, not very optimistic.

I have learned after Stone, Hall, Hall 2.0, and some others.

[Rick M.]

Originally Posted by Robbob

A GM would not be doing their job if they didn't inquire. Every team should be on that list.

So, basically, the list is meaningless.

[dammage79]

Thats why you build the package around Backlund.

A few things here come to mind after my initial post about dealing Backs in a PLD trade.

1. Gives Bennett a young top 6 player to work with similar to his chemistry with Dube. And thats not to say he doesn't have any chemistry with Backs.

2. Potential for PLD to grow his game in a sheltered deployment and then see what you got before making any long term decisions regarding moving Monahan or pushing Lindy back to RW (unlikely now, him centering that line is literally the best thing going on in the Flames world right now) or any other thing.

I just think that Backlund is the kind of player that Kekalainen and Torts would love to have. Buffer Texier, have Backs work with other young players they have as well. I see the fit.

[genetic_phreek]

CP early season, Flames looking good, new faces, etc:
"Don't trade Monahan, he's young, he's put up points, he's clutch, etc etc"

CP after playoffs, Flames fizzled out:
"Monahan needs to go, he is invisible, he isn't physical, he's a regular season player, we'll never go far with him as a core"

Rinse, repeat. Amirite?

Just for the record, I'm just as guilty as most.