[Rumour] Hamonic to Vancouver on PTO. May have 1 yr deal in place

[VilleN]

Dp

[Sylvanfan]

To say we have the same information today as we did in July is not true. There is so much more data, plus all 4 North American Sports leagues resumed play. MLB pulled off a 60 game season with travel. The NFL is wrapping up its regular season and the NHL and NBA both finished off seasons in a bubble.

So it has been proven that it can be done. It's been proven that there is risk and players can get infected, and they can recover too. So a lot more data is there for players to use now.

As for Hamonic he may be realizing that his opportunity to play in this league is waning. He is not going to be seeing 3 million dollar a year contracts anymore and each passing year there are younger guys looking to take his job. Do if he's not ready to retire he better play this season.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by dino7c

My "stupid" comment that has 30 "thanks"

There was ZERO risk to his family in the bubble...slight risk now

Disagree if you like but he bailed on the team IMO.


In the entire NHL what 2 NHL guys? sat out the entire playoffs and the other since retired. None of those guys care about their families?

I said at the time I was good with his decision unless he came back the second he started getting paid again. Here we are, glad he is on another team.

well Trump just got 75 million votes in a general election, so...

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

So, what you are saying is that you are just bitter. It blows my mind that people are resentful that Hamonic had the luxury to make this decision. It has NOTHING to do with you.

It's a hockey message board talking about a hockey player...it's an opinion

Its less safe now but he is playing because $$$$


It is what it is

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Knowledge on the corona virus has changed dramatically since the playoff bubble. Do people forget that schools were closed , supermarkets had limited supply of foods ect when it started? I live in Victoria and the streets were bare during that time. Now we have way more cases and the streets are not bare. People have realized that life goes on, albeit different.

This is a bunch of BS.

Everything was open by the time the bubbles started. The full lockdown was 10 weeks from mid-March until mid-May and the bubble started in August. There is far more risk in playing this season than the bubble. The second wave is hurting the country more than the first. In Alberta there has been as many deaths in the last 6 weeks from Covid as there was in the 7-8 months prior.

Hamonic bailed when he had a secure payday. Obviously he needs to make money so is going back to work like any human that needs to feed themselves and family.

I don’t care that Hamonic skipped the playoffs he would have been a non-factor like he was for the 3 years he was on the team. Andersson was ready for the top 4, we also had Brodie, Gustafson, Forbort so no need for him.

End of the day he skipped when it was a far more safe and secure situation than the one he is walking into now. NFL, and MLB have shown with no bubble it is likely players will get the virus.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by dino7c

My "stupid" comment that has 30 "thanks"

Congratulations!

There was ZERO risk to his family in the bubble...slight risk now

Disagree if you like but he bailed on the team IMO.

Which he was completely within his rights to do. This decision possibly also eliminated the possibility that the Flames would re-sign him. But at the time he opted out of the bubble, his contract was essentially over—no one got paid in the playoffs. He had provided services for which he was paid and that was at the end of it.

In the entire NHL what 2 NHL guys? sat out the entire playoffs and the other since retired. None of those guys care about their families?

I said at the time I was good with his decision unless he came back the second he started getting paid again. Here we are, glad he is on another team.

He made a decision in the moment which he deemed to be best for him and his family, and has now made a different decision which he has deemed best for him and his family. I think this is a clear sign that circumstances have changed—those circumstances likely being Hamonic's need to make a living, and his correct recognition that the most effective way to do so is by playing NHL hockey. Again, it is bewildering to me why anyone would begrudge him this decision. He doesn't owe you anything; hell, he doesn't owe the Flames anything.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by dino7c

It's a hockey message board talking about a hockey player...it's an opinion

Its less safe now but he is playing because $$$$


It is what it is

Well, yeah. Hamonic has to make a living. Why does that anger you so much?

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

I'm going to get trashed for saying this, but yeah, all of the recent value signings are making the Tanev signing look even worse.

Tanev has already been declining for 3 years, is old, will be overpaid for 4 years, is injury prone, slow, and has no offense.
They could have signed Haula + Hamonic + Granlund (maybe even Hoffman) instead.
Plus, those would have all been shorter contracts on younger players.

It hurts now, but it'll hurt even more in 2 or 3 years. Especially with the flat cap.

Who knows if they could have signed any of those guys though?

But yeah the Tanev contract, in particular the term, is disappointing.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

So, what you are saying is that you are just bitter. It blows my mind that people are resentful that Hamonic had the luxury to make this decision. It has NOTHING to do with you.

What is wrong with Dino being a bit bitter about it?

The organization and player share blame but the Hamonic acquisition is one of the biggest failures of this rebuild. So in saying that I can understand the resentment some fans would feel toward the player. He is about to take a lot more risk, for a lot less money, for a rival city.

Imo the bitterness may be directed at Hamonic but a lot of it belongs to the organization for what was a very poor transaction in hindsight.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Well, yeah. Hamonic has to make a living. Why does that anger you so much?

Why does my opinion anger you so much?

Guy is a massive hypocrite who bailed on his team...glad he is in Van and not here

IMO

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Why does my opinion anger you so much?

I am not so much angry as confused and suprised.

Guy is a massive hypocrite who bailed on his team...glad he is in Van and not here

IMO

"Hypocrite" is overly strong, in my opinion, especially in the absence of information about all the factors in how his decision in the Spring was different than that which he is making now. Is everyone who changes his mind a "hypocrite"? I am guessing you would not think so, and I suspect that your reaction is borne mostly from an irrational emotional attachment to the sport than from any aspect of Hamonic's actual character.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I am not so much angry as confused and suprised.

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"Hypocrite" is overly strong, in my opinion, especially in the absence of information about all the factors in how his decision in the Spring was different than that which he is making now. Is everyone who changes his mind a "hypocrite"? I am guessing you would not think so, and I suspect that your reaction is borne mostly from an irrational emotional attachment to the sport than from any aspect of Hamonic's actual character.

Decision was made in July not March

NHL bubble was the safest place on earth...just calling a spade a spade. You are emotionally defending him for some reason. I don't think he is the worst person on earth or anything but his reasoning for bailing is certainly suspect now in my eyes.

Lucky for him he won't have to worry about playoffs in Vancouver and can take another spring/summer off.

[Matata]

Hamonic cost himself, and his family, millions of dollars because he refused to do something less dangerous than going to the grocery store. Did he vacuum seal his house and take a covid test every time he got milk?

We can applaud his morality and respect the fact that his decision was strongly influenced by his own personal trauma, but this was an incredibly stupid thing for hamonic to do.

[mrdonkey]

Lots of sour grapes in here over a player who in the end wasn't missed. Glad for him that he found a home, and glad for us that it's Vancouver because he made everyone he played with worse.

[Jbo]

Would have been nice to get an asset for him. Liked him when he was here but not sad to see him go.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I really hope Hamonic does not outperform Tanev this year

Depends if Harmonic ends up replacing Tanev with Hughes.

If he does, I may have bad news for you...

[GullFoss]

We knew the following about the virus. Hamonic made his decision in July. You can not pin this on "lack of data" about COVID.
- the risks are negligible for children
- the risks are negligible for healthy adults under-40
- The bubble was going to be super safe

These are quotes from July...

Originally Posted by GullFoss

No one under the age of 10 has died from Covid in the USA and America has had over three million cases. The rationale is pretty dumb

Originally Posted by GullFoss

He would be separated from his family, so they run no risk of infection from him. He gets tested daily and could quarantine for 14 days after his playoff run is over. Yet, he's not willing to take what I would consider a negligible risk decision because of his perception of risk.

I respect Hamonics right to make his decision. I don't respect his decision. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't play another NHL game.

The truth is that Hamonic let down his teammates, his employer and the league. That's the truth. It was obvious when he made the decision. He was in "his right" to do it, but it was a bad decision that either showed a lack of judgement and/or selfishness. He is now suffering the consequences. I'm honestly surprised a team was even willing to offer him a PTO.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by Matata

Hamonic cost himself, and his family, millions of dollars because he refused to do something less dangerous than going to the grocery store.

What evidence do you have to support that claim? The signs were there in terms of declining play and poor analytics. Everything about his play combined with the economic shift would indicate he was going to have a hard time finding a lucrative long term deal.

[Bingo]

Honestly don't we all feel a little more "comfortable" with Covid now than back in August?

This whole argument seems silly to me. Nothing about Travis Hamonic in his career suggests a selfish player or person. The guy has character oozing out of every pore.

The game speed changed in the last three to four years, and it caught up with him, but the guy isn't any less of a human being.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Depends if Harmonic ends up replacing Tanev with Hughes.

If he does, I may have bad news for you...

Could a PTO actually be your top pairing right Dman?

I figure your $6M man Myers or new guys Schmidt would be the guy to play with your young stud.

Putting Hamonic with Hughes might be bad news for you. If that is the plan we can start penning those sophomore slump article GM’s for young Quinn