Ocean Wiesblatt discussion

[PepsiFree]

I don’t know about anyone else, but I regularly drive 60 through school zones. Think about it, who decided on 30? It’s some arbitrary number, why not 31? Anyway that’s why I drive 60 and it would be authoritarian for police to pull me over at 60 unless they can explain why it’s 30 and not 31. Why are other roads 60 but this section is 30? Makes no sense to me!

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Bingo

The Alberta government has applied some science to it .

https://www.alberta.ca/assets/docume...recreation.pdf

appendix "A" takes you through the math of it.

IF, and its a big if, im reading this correctly....it says 50 is acceptable for boarded rinks?

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by transplant99

IF, and its a big if, im reading this correctly....it says 50 is acceptable for boarded rinks?

For a really big one yes.

But below that there's a calculation that suggests 3 max for a smaller rink.

Not sure on the Southwood dimensions

[IGGYRULES]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Listen i get the whole keeping everyone safe thing. Believe me. Im on an unpaid LOA because of it.

But how did we send 100' of thousands of kids and teenagers into schools for 4 months to mingle about with each other in confined paces and exposing not only themselves but all the employees there to a huge risk (who all then went home to spouses/children/room mates)...but somehow skating with 40 adults outdoors is a far more egregious gathering.

Its a convoluted and arbitrary clusterfata of piece meal laws and rules. Hell...look at the pictures coming out of malls the last couple days.

Mixed messaging all over the place and little surprise people are having issues with it all.

Wow silly take here. After 9 months of this people still don't get it. My anti masker, protect my freedoms sister has the same arguments as you. But the kids go to school what's the difference.

The government is in an impossible position and that is the reason the rules are what they are.

Children going to school is high priority for several reasons. Learning is more effective in class, kids need the socialization, parents if they're so lucky to still have a job need to work and can't have young kids at home all day.

The government needs to choose what is important and what is not and prioritize to protect the most vulnerable and the health care capacity. Alberta has done a crap job at this which is why things are going crazy and even more stringent restrictions needed to be put in place. Imagine if the simple wearing a mask indoors was implemented earlier? The restrictions likely wouldn't have had to be so severe.

As much as I'd love to shelter in place to get through this, some things are necessary risks. Work and our kids going to school are those necessary risks whereas going out with a few friends to a restaurant (in BC) is not necessary so we decline. Our kids don't mingle with anyone outside of their school cohort (cousins, friends across the street etc). We do go on social distance walks for the mental health aspect and as much as getting together with a bunch of people to play hockey (not a socially distant activity) seems wonderful it is not responsible in any way.

Our family is not in a high risk profile for Covid but we're doing our part for the greater good. IMO anti makers should be punished moreso than they are. There also should be vaccine passports once we get rolling towards normal so people can safely attend events, restaurants etc... but I doubt the government has the balls to implement that. If you don't want a vaccine as it's your right to decline that's fine but it's not your right to attend concerts, go to restaurants and put others at risk.

[the-rasta-masta]

I honestly feel bad for the Cops. Sure they didn't handle it perfectly but can you imagine how many people like this they have to deal with in a day? This kid wasting their time trying to ask what the public health orders are.... it sounds like they had probably just explained it by giving everybody a warning.

Poor Cops are being bashed by the cancel culture on social media now. If they had just written up 40 $1200 tickets off the get go instead of a warning, they wouldn't be dealing with this at all. Wonder what approach they will take next time?

[monkeyman]

Originally Posted by transplant99

IF, and its a big if, im reading this correctly....it says 50 is acceptable for boarded rinks?

There's also this.
- No competitions, games or events can occur (CMOH Order 39)
- No shinny, tag or pick-up games (CMOH Order 39)
- Non-household participants must be distanced by 2 meters (CMOH Order 26)
And by all accounts, they were engaged in a hockey game.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by transplant99

IF, and its a big if, im reading this correctly....it says 50 is acceptable for boarded rinks?

I could be wrong, but I don't think the capacity was the primary issue when the order states the following:

No shinny, tag or pick-up games (CMOH Order 39)

Non-household participants must be distanced by 2 meters (CMOH Order 26)

The fact that it was 40 people just made it even more egregious. And then when you have one moron who doesn't comply with the bylaw officer's request to stop playing hockey, wouldn't comply with the police officers' request to leave the ice, skated away from the officers when they asked him to remain where he was, wouldn't provide his name for a ticket, and physically resisted when being placed under arrest, then you end up with this kind of situation.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Listen i get the whole keeping everyone safe thing. Believe me. Im on an unpaid LOA because of it.

But how did we send 100' of thousands of kids and teenagers into schools for 4 months to mingle about with each other in confined paces and exposing not only themselves but all the employees there to a huge risk (who all then went home to spouses/children/room mates)...but somehow skating with 40 adults outdoors is a far more egregious gathering.

Its a convoluted and arbitrary clusterfata of piece meal laws and rules. Hell...look at the pictures coming out of malls the last couple days.

Mixed messaging all over the place and little surprise people are having issues with it all.

The one thing I thought everyone was in agreement on is kids being in school, learning and with their friends, was worth the Covid risk and you can essentially look at all other measures as a reflection of knowing schools will contribute to spread. It also helped a lot of industries who can work from home, continue to earn a living and pay taxes so we’re in less of a hole at the end.It’s been a balancing act this whole time. Schools needed to be opened.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by opendoor

I could be wrong, but I don't think the capacity was the primary issue when the order states the following:
The fact that it was 40 people just made it even more egregious. And then when you have one moron who doesn't comply with the bylaw officer's request to stop playing hockey, wouldn't comply with the police officers' request to leave the ice, skated away from the officers when they asked him to remain where he was, wouldn't provide his name for a ticket, and physically resisted when being placed under arrest, then you end up with this kind of situation.

He literally couldnt have made it worse.

[Barnet Flame]

[Trojan97]

I witnessed this incident from the time bylaw called police to the conclusion (more or less) of his arrest. This clown + his friends should be ashamed of their behaviour and the way they are trying to frame it now. That entire situation was destined to end the way it did from the second bylaw arrived with how dismissive and ignorant their behaviour was. It was a completely unwinnable situation for bylaw/CPS and the fact that they are trying to frame it now like that mouthpiece is a victim here is 100% laughable.

[dirk diggler]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Listen i get the whole keeping everyone safe thing. Believe me. Im on an unpaid LOA because of it.

But how did we send 100' of thousands of kids and teenagers into schools for 4 months to mingle about with each other in confined paces and exposing not only themselves but all the employees there to a huge risk (who all then went home to spouses/children/room mates)...but somehow skating with 40 adults outdoors is a far more egregious gathering.

Its a convoluted and arbitrary clusterfata of piece meal laws and rules. Hell...look at the pictures coming out of malls the last couple days.

Mixed messaging all over the place and little surprise people are having issues with it all.

Exactly, you can go indoors and hang around malls with way more people or you can go outdoors and skate. Rules do not make sense and the cops went over the top here in my opinion.

[Yamer]

Also worth mentioning that he wasn't arrested for violating COVID rules, but rather obstructing and resisting an officer.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Yamer

Also worth mentioning that he wasn't arrested for violating COVID rules, but rather obstructing and resisting an officer.

Suggested new headline:
39 people dispersed peacefully to go on with their lives, one dummy shows off for his friends and gets arrested.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

The one thing I thought everyone was in agreement on is kids being in school, learning and with their friends, was worth the Covid risk and you can essentially look at all other measures as a reflection of knowing schools will contribute to spread. It also helped a lot of industries who can work from home, continue to earn a living and pay taxes so we’re in less of a hole at the end.It’s been a balancing act this whole time. Schools needed to be opened.

Yes i agree with all that...what i am saying and apparently not conveying well is that many many others are unable to consolidate those things and that is why we are seeing so many incidents.

I will leave it at that as this is becoming another dogpile on anyone who may be in the minority thread....even though im not in the minority at all.

[Captain Otto]

Why is this still a conversation. This isn't hard. The spirit of the legislation is to limit physical interaction to prevent the spread of COVID19 - full stop.

Sure, we could read the legislation and try to find loopholes or challenge the wisdom of 10 vs 11 or question why schools are open but ODR's are limited to 10 people (if you can't figure out the different, you're part of the problem), but I think you are missing the point.

If you go to the ODR and there is more than 10 people and/or there are people playing an organized game of hockey, you are breaking the law and you run the risk or being ticketed or arrested.

For 32 minutes of the 36 minute video, police tried to convince that jackass to get off the ice. Someone above mentioned they were doing what CPS does -bully people. JFC man, get a grip. They don't have the option to walk away. WTF do you expect to happen. How long do they "negotiate" with this jackass. It's 2 days later and he's still posting about his rights as a human - you expect police to hangout indefinitely?

Social responsibility is a thing.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Yes i agree with all that...what i am saying and apparently not conveying well is that many many others are unable to consolidate those things and that is why we are seeing so many incidents.

I will leave it at that as this is becoming another dogpile on anyone who may be in the minority thread....even though im not in the minority at all.

Dude I’m not trying to dogpile.

But that’s why bylaw showed up and I expect they asked people to disperse without issuing tickets. I don’t see anything wrong with that.

Even if they gave you a ticket, just take it. Has anyone else been to court before? Just take the ticket. You probably don’t even have to hire a lawyer, show up, apologize and say you didn’t really understand the rules, and you’ll get the fine knocked down. I guarantee it.

[dirk diggler]

Originally Posted by Captain Otto

Why is this still a conversation. This isn't hard. The spirit of the legislation is to limit physical interaction to prevent the spread of COVID19 - full stop.

Sure, we could read the legislation and try to find loopholes or challenge the wisdom of 10 vs 11 or question why schools are open but ODR's are limited to 10 people (if you can't figure out the different, you're part of the problem). But at that point, I think you are missing the point.

If you go to the ODR and there is more than 10 people and/or there are people playing an organized game of hockey, you are breaking the law and you run the risk or being ticketed or arrested.

For 32 minutes of the 36 minute video, police tried to convince that jackass to get off the ice. Someone above mentioned they were doing what CPS does -bully people. JFC man, get a grip. They don't have the option to walk away. WTF do you expect to happen. How long do they "negotiate" with his jackass. It's 2 days later and he's still posting about his rights as a human - you expect police to hangout indefinitely?

Social responsibility is a thing.

fair enough, but then why are malls open with tons of cars in the parking lot when i drive by. that is the issue a lot of people have, including myself. just my thoughts

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by dirk diggler

fair enough, but then why are malls open with tons of cars in the parking lot when i drive by. that is the issue a lot of people have, including myself. just my thoughts

To keep money churning. Sole reason.

And a lot of us who are sticking tight to the rules, aren’t the ones packing malls.

[Titan]

Originally Posted by Locke

He literally couldnt have made it worse.

You think? I would not hold this idiot's beer when he hears that challenge.