[Signing] Habs sign Toffoli (4 yrs, $4.25 mil AAV)

[Johnny Makarov]

Not really caught up on nonFlame players anymore but is Toffoli worth $4mil/season??

Haven't his cup glory days come and gone?

[agulati]

Pretty solid contract by Montreal. Balances out the slight overpayment to Anderson as well.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Pretty much. Honeydicked us long enough to have us do nothing.

Now is the time for the Canucks to make a splash, get OEL on the cheap, no salary retention on Arizona's side, just a straight up 1st round pick in 2021 for OEL. Helps Arizona with their lack of draft picks and gives the Canucks a new toy to show their fans.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Not really caught up on nonFlame players anymore but is Toffoli worth $4mil/season??

Haven't his cup glory days come and gone?

The Habs just gave Josh Anderson $38M for 4 points in 26 games.

This is a way more sensible deal from their perspective.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by opendoor

But they don't really have cap space. They have about $8M but they need to re-sign Virtanen and Gaudette (probably $3.5-4M right there) and sign 2-3 starting defensemen.

We currently have about 9, and we're not re-signing virtanen. He's trade bait. I will be shocked if we go for more than 2. The plan was to let young guys get in this season.

Originally Posted by opendoor

This is the natural result of Benning spending $25M on Eriksson, Sutter, Ferland, Baertschi, Roussel, Beagle, and Benn. He has blown nearly 1/3rd of the cap on bottom of the roster junk and AHL quality players.

Eriksson literally scored 30 goals the season before he signed. His signing was lauded at the time. Roussell and Beagle were the two big over-payments for bottom line players. The rest are only really bad with hindsight.

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Now is the time for the Canucks to make a splash, get OEL on the cheap, no salary retention on Arizona's side, just a straight up 1st round pick in 2021 for OEL. Helps Arizona with their lack of draft picks and gives the Canucks a new toy to show their fans.

I'd rather be garbage for two seasons and wait for the roster bloat to fall off than add him. If we're gonna be bad and have no one, may as well lean into it.

[djsFlames]

Good contract but it still doesn't make up for that Anderson contract. That was start-the-car level thievery for his camp.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

We would but our GM is apparently a lot more satisfied with our forward group than he probably should be.

I think your forward group is fixed via trade, and have felt that way for a while. Not sure Hall and Toffoli (or Hoffman) were the answer.

Besides, in theory, the goaltending situation was the biggest thing needing fixing and that, in theory, is now fixed.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

The Habs just gave Josh Anderson $38M for 4 points in 26 games.

This is a way more sensible deal from their perspective.

Well that was an absurd contract.

I mean would we be happy if we signed him to this contract?

Seems like an overpayment but i guess he brings intangibles?

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Good contract but it still doesn't make up for that Anderson contract. What an atrocity.

The Josh Anderson contract is a very good candidate to be the worst contract in league history.

I can’t think of a guy who accomplished less who got more money. Even Ville Leino had a decent showing on the way to a Finals appearance.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Good signing for Montreal.
Would have been a bad signing for Calgary.

Not what we need and glad he's signed so we can stop talking about getting him.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Damn. I was really hoping to grab him as an extra top six forward. Opportunity lost, especially at that contract. Tre needs to get it together and improve the forwards as the defense is looking worse than what we had to work with last year. We need more goals.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Well that was an absurd contract.

I mean would we be happy if we signed him to this contract?

Seems like an overpayment but i guess he brings intangibles?

I’ve been railing against signing middle six forwards looking for their golden parachutes into retirement all year. I think it’s the absolute worst way to add talent to the roster.

That said, Tyler Toffoli @ 4x$4.25M is a way better gamble than Brouwer on the same deal.

At least Toffoli was talented enough to play in the top-6 of two championship teams.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Nope, I'm a bit shocked we couldn't meet this. We have the cap, will have the cap, he enjoyed playing here and our guys enjoyed playing with him.

The OEL thing ####ed us wholly and completely. We've now let every single UFA that mattered walk. All because we weren't willing to say "Nope, taking too long" a week before UFA.

Toffoli wasn't going to be redundant for about 4 years, so it's not even like this deal was too long.

Only positive spin I can even attempt on it is that the team thinks Hoglander and Podkolzin are further along their development track than expected.


Edit - Also the possibility that the Aquilini's have revoked their "cap team" statement while saying nothing and Benning's hands are completely tied. Not that this would be a positive spin, but it would explain why we've gone from being a cap team to probably being close to 10 million under the cap with less than $60 of that being actual dollars.

It's certainly a possibility. I made a post yesterday (God knows what thread) about the fact that there are very likely a BUNCH of teams this year that have quietly reduced their cap tolerance.

Considering how well Toffoli fit with the Nucks, and the price he ended up accepting, it is difficult to come to any other conclusion.

Or maybe Jim DID fall asleep

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by opendoor

But they don't really have cap space. They have about $8M but they need to re-sign Virtanen and Gaudette (probably $3.5-4M right there) and sign 2-3 starting defensemen.

This is the natural result of Benning spending $25M on Eriksson, Sutter, Ferland, Baertschi, Roussel, Beagle, and Benn. He has blown nearly 1/3rd of the cap on bottom of the roster junk and AHL quality players.

Let Virtanen walk - Toffoli has to be the priority there.

Also, they probably have Ferland $3.5M from LTIR

[Dajazz]

Not a bad contract at all.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Or maybe Jim DID fall asleep

Both Stecher and Toffoli are being cited as lost due to lack of communication from the team.

This is turning into a #### show. If it's a money thing, the blueberry farmers need to come out and admit it's a money thing. Rational people will understand. If it's a negligence on management's part thing, well, much like I advocated Tallon should be fired for his RFA #### up in Chicago, I'd advocate in the same here. How hard is it to send a ####ing text message?

[Enoch Root]

Yeah, if I were a Nuck fan, I would be livid right now, with the way the off-season has gone.

(not trolling, just empathizing)

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Yeah, if I were a Nuck fan, I would be livid right now, with the way the off-season has gone.

(not trolling)

Really depends for me. Like I said, if the Aquilini's just don't have the liquidity currently, I get it. This is a unique time and it's going to be harder for ventures like a sports team to get the dollars allocated.

If it wasn't.... then... yeah.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Both Stecher and Toffoli are being cited as lost due to lack of communication from the team.

This is turning into a #### show. If it's a money thing, the blueberry farmers need to come out and admit it's a money thing. Rational people will understand. If it's a negligence on management's part thing, well, much like I advocated Tallon should be fired for his RFA #### up in Chicago, I'd advocate in the same here. How hard is it to send a ####ing text message?

Jim needs to salvage this situation for himself, trade his 1st and 2nd for OEL and tell the fans that was the plan all along. He needs a story beyond just losing 20 percent of the greatest Canucks team in almost a decade because he was asleep at the wheel. Arizona can give him a lifeline.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

I think your forward group is fixed via trade, and have felt that way for a while. Not sure Hall and Toffoli (or Hoffman) were the answer.

Besides, in theory, the goaltending situation was the biggest thing needing fixing and that, in theory, is now fixed.

A large part of me agrees but seeing Treliving's inability to seal trades (whether in or out of his control) in the last two years makes me pessimistic that the one needed is on its way soon. Since we waited for iggy to turn into a corpse before dealing him I think many here are concerned as to whether the organization has the stones to make the big move that can revamp the core before those players have expired contract or play-wise.

So basically I was hoping we would take the easier route of just signing a Hall and moving perimeter money to make that work, because it at least seemed like a realistic possibility to help the forward group.

Going into next season gambling on Gaudreau finding another gear again is getting into amnesia / redefining insanity territory.

By the way it would be way easier to digest your takes on the canucks if you attached "in theory" before every point. Just saying.