Poll Request: Retool or Rebuild?

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by SebC

You can even land an Eichel and still be Buffalo.

People said this about Colorado when they had Mackinnon, Duchene, O'Reilly, and Stastny and somehow still sucked out loud. A lot can change when you keep compiling good assets and make well-timed moves.

Having Eichel and Dahlin goes a long way. They've got two pieces every team in the league would covet and at the moment are a more complete team than we are.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by MrMike

Rebuild. Use the expansion draft to your advantage to collect assets.

You've actually pointed out a huge issue with a rebuild. The best players you could trade away would bump someone else out of the protected list, so the upgrade in the player Seattle gets has to be subtracted from their trade value. Picks and non-eligible players/prospects have higher value relative to eligible players right now than they normally would.

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

If we leave Gio exposed, does he even get claimed?

Do we even care?

[Wood]

Originally Posted by Jagermeister

I want to see a cup. I would ####ing sit through 10 years of the worst ####ing hockey ever if it meant that we would win a cup.

A rebuild isn't a guaranteed Cup win though. Look at Edmonton, Buffalo, Florida and even Toronto

So much goes into a successful franchise, blowing it up is rarely the answer. Look at St Louis. Halfway through last season Armstrong threatened to trade everyone, they ended up winning the cup

[Jiggy_12]

Re-tool around Tkachuk, Dube, Andersson, Valimaki, Mangiapane. Brodie if he wants to come back.

Slowly purge the rest starting with Gaudreau and aim to compete again in 2 years.

[PaperBagger'14]

I said it in the game thread, but our protection list is full of players that are more valuable in trades than for winning games. Gaudreau will be protected and so will Gio, and they quite honestly sucked this playoffs. With those 2, you won't win.

Monahan is what he is now and won't be your impact 1st line center. He's wood glue and not platinum.

Lindholm was forgettable, he was exactly what you look for in a defenceman, not noticeable. The same could be said for Backlund and Mangiapane.

Tkachuk's stint was short but he didn't move the needle. He wasn't going to be a difference maker as he isn't elite.

[agulati]

Originally Posted by Jagermeister

I want to see a cup. I would ####ing sit through 10 years of the worst ####ing hockey ever if it meant that we would win a cup.

Look 300kms north. Or Buffalo. Or Arizona. Or Florida. Or even Toronto.

On the flip side. Yes there have been middling franchises that haven’t gone either way. (Minnesota comes to mind).

A complete tear down is not always the solution. Doesn’t mean we continue with status quo either.

[Flames0910]

Call it whatever you want, but three of the worst collapses in recent playoff history demands significant moves.

Keep tkachuk, dubes, sam, mangiapane, rasmus, and valimaki. Everyone else is fair game IMO.

[Joborule]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I don’t think the option of rebuilding and keeping Tkachuk go together.

It is a retool but it could include trading our 2 core forwards who have been the faces of the team for the last 6 seasons.

Tank mode in a crappy market is a ticket to wandering the dessert for another 5-10 years with no guarantee we land a franchise or generational talent.

Keep and add picks, don’t sign mid tier free agents, change the core.

This organization just made the playoffs in consecutive years for the first time since 08-09 they are not tearing it down

This is how you maintain being mediocre.

The foundation is broken. The only way to fix it is to tear it down, and start anew.

If that mean Tkachuk doesn't want to be part of the process, so be it.

This franchise is never going anywhere, until they finally commit to the long game of developing their own talent, and having high impact players come from the draft and shrewd trades that don't sacrifice long term assets.

[Wood]

Originally Posted by Jiggy_12

Re-tool around Tkachuk, Dube, Andersson, Valimaki, Mangiapane. Brodie if he wants to come back.

Slowly purge the rest starting with Gaudreau and aim to compete again in 2 years.

I really hope Brodie re-signs

BigBrodieFan saying thank you for the last 10 years on CP and bye forever makes me feel like maybe she knows something about her nephew potentially leaving, so I'm not too confident he's in discussions to stay

[SebC]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

People said this about Colorado when they had Mackinnon, Duchene, O'Reilly, and Stastny and somehow still sucked out loud. A lot can change when you keep compiling good assets and make well-timed moves.

Sounds a lot like the Flames' position to me - a team that is less than the sum of its parts. Why should Colorado stay the course and not us?

[3thirty]

Rebuild in hopes they can put a half decent team on the ice for the new arena. Owners must be sweating with the pandemic and results. This team won’t have fans in the stands next year even if they are allowed.

[NewFan]

My dream or plan for next year: trade Johnny and Monny, plus something to Pittsburg for Malkin. Sign Hall. Fire Ward and hire Lavi or Gallant for 10 years. Let Brodie, Talbott, Harmonic walk. Trade Hanifin for best 3rd line C can shut down other team's top line.
Hall-Malkin-Lindholm
Tkachuk-Backlund-Mangi
Lucic/Bennett-New guy-dube
AHL-AHL-AHL
Gio-Rus
Killington-Elesyn
Forb-College Guy
Rittich
Wolf/Zagadulin

[Jagermeister]

Originally Posted by Wood

A rebuild isn't a guaranteed Cup win though. Look at Edmonton, Buffalo, Florida and even Toronto

So much goes into a successful franchise, blowing it up is rarely the answer. Look at St Louis. Halfway through last season Armstrong threatened to trade everyone, they ended up winning the cup

Sure they suck, but at least a lot of those teams have some franchise players to build around. The Flames suck, and also don't have a franchise player.

[Phaneuf_Phan]

Gaudreau or Monahan - who showed up the least? Tough call on that one.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by Wood

A rebuild isn't a guaranteed Cup win though. Look at Edmonton, Buffalo, Florida and even Toronto

So much goes into a successful franchise, blowing it up is rarely the answer. Look at St Louis. Halfway through last season Armstrong threatened to trade everyone, they ended up winning the cup

Look at the team one province to the west of us, on the verge of bouncing the defending champs. Proof that rebuilding can work.

[DJones]

Originally Posted by Phaneuf_Phan

Gaudreau or Monahan - who showed up the least? Tough call on that one.

Gaudreau won that by a mile, and Gaudreau wasn't great

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by agulati

Look 300kms north. Or Buffalo. Or Arizona. Or Florida. Or even Toronto.

On the flip side. Yes there have been middling franchises that haven’t gone either way. (Minnesota comes to mind).

A complete tear down is not always the solution. Doesn’t mean we continue with status quo either.

When a house's foundation is broken and the whole thing starts sinking into the ground, you don't look at it and say "well jeez, you can't tear up the foundation, I knew a guy who did that and he had to replace the whole thing again a few years later. Just build on top of it."

You tear the whole mother****er up and do it properly from top to bottom, who cares what happened to some other idiot who messed it up.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Joborule

This franchise is never going anywhere, until they finally commit to the long game of developing their own talent, and having high impact players come from the draft and shrewd trades that don't sacrifice long term assets.

Gaudreau - drafted in the 4th round
Monahan - drafted
Tkachuk - drafted
Lindholm - traded for, maybe shrewdly?
Hanifin - traded for, maybe shrewdly?
Bennett - drafted 4th overall
Backlund - drafted
Gio - signed undrafted
Andersson - drafted
Dube - drafted
Mangiapane - drafted
Brodie - drafted

What you are saying they should be doing is pretty much exactly what they've been doing, other than the Hamonic trade, and Brouwer/Neal signings.

[Press Level]

Rebuild. This includes the GM, the coaching staff and the uniforms.