08-13-2020, 11:26 AM
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#61
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by AC
Wow what a fun GDT for a playoff game guys!
Whining about a trade for a player not even playing or on the team at this point.
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I think the top line gets a couple goals tonight, and the 2A / 2B continue to dominate. Go Flames!
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Definitely want to see the game #2 win. Keep the momentum going for the good guys. Don't give Dallas an inch. Cant let them into the series.
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08-13-2020, 11:28 AM
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#62
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: F*** me. We're so f***ing good, you check the f***ing standings? Lets f***ing go! F***ing practice!
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Originally Posted by Bingo
I'm not going to suggest I'd do the Hamonic trade with hindsight, clearly no one would.
But keep in mind his contract was a big part of the trade value as well. He was a second pairing guy in Calgary, but essentially had a 5/6 salary giving the Flames room to add other pieces and go for it during the window when he was here.
So it's not just pro scouting, it's contract value that made that move some what logical from a Flames standpoint.
Got the team a first place in the West, but they didn't get it done in the playoffs last year, and missed the year before that.
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Is a $3.857 mil cap hit really considered a 5/6 salary these days?
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08-13-2020, 11:30 AM
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#63
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Lifetime Suspension
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08-13-2020, 11:31 AM
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#64
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Calgary
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This year's team feels different. I expect a hard fought game, but sincerely hope they can break the game two curse and put Dallas on the ropes!
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08-13-2020, 11:31 AM
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#65
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by CsInMyBlood
Crippled in the way of not much in the pipeline. Yeah the team is fairly young but imagine another first and two second round picks in the system right now. Even if only one of them became an NHL player, not to mention the assets you could acquire with that currency.
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Yeah - like for example you could take that currency and acquire a young hard-nosed D-Man on a sweet-heart contract to make multiple runs during the "Prime" of our core!
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08-13-2020, 11:32 AM
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#66
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Scoring Winger
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I think it's important to remember the context of why we traded for him as well. Remember we had just spent most of the season with Wideman at 2RD and our other alternative was Stone. I thought Stone had stepped in admirably and Brodie-Stone was arguably our best pair down the stretch and in the playoffs, but it was clear that 2RD was identified as a weak spot that needed to be addressed. I think BT was stuck between: a) leaving a known weakness in the roster and hoping it doesn't bite us, or b) overpaying to fill that slot. I think if he tried to pay fair value for Hamonic the trade doesn't happen, and we're instead complaining that he can't make a trade for D. Sometimes the ideal move just doesn't exist.
I also think we'd be remiss to ignore how good Hanifin-Hamonic were in their first regular season. They played as many minutes as Gio-Brodie and put up a 55.72 xGF% (higher than Gio-Brodie). They faceplanted in playoffs and were bad this year, but that doesn't erase their contribution to that 107 point year.
All that being said, he wasn't worth what we paid and the team is better with Andersson in that spot, but the move wasn't completely without merit.
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08-13-2020, 11:34 AM
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#67
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: speculating about AHL players
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Flames haven't enjoyed a 2-0 series lead since the WCF against the Sharks in 2004.
Sure would be great to change that.
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08-13-2020, 11:39 AM
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#68
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This game feels like a "Honda Center Curse" game to me. History has no real bearing on the present when it comes to hockey, but the Flames could do themselves a huge favour by making that clear and giving us one less thing to worry about.
And, you know, going up 2-0 would be great. This team has what it takes to make that happen. They closed out Winnipeg when that team was desperate for the win. Dallas isn't desperate yet, start closing them out now.
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08-13-2020, 11:40 AM
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#69
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AC
Wow what a fun GDT for a playoff game guys!
Whining about a trade for a player not even playing or on the team at this point.
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I think the top line gets a couple goals tonight, and the 2A / 2B continue to dominate. Go Flames!
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Flames are up in a playoff series, and the thread already has 'Dube Does Dallas 2' to build on, and people just want to bitch about Hamonic and a couple 2nd round draft picks.
Here are a couple 2nd round draft picks to discuss: Dillon Dube, Rasmus Andersson
(someone will reply: this is why we shouldn't trade 2nds)
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08-13-2020, 11:42 AM
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#70
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: F*** me. We're so f***ing good, you check the f***ing standings? Lets f***ing go! F***ing practice!
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyTitan
Yeah - like for example you could take that currency and acquire a young hard-nosed D-Man on a sweet-heart contract to make multiple runs during the "Prime" of our core!
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Like Derek Forbort at 900k? Oh wait he didnt cost a first and two second round picks.
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08-13-2020, 11:42 AM
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#71
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Owner
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CsInMyBlood
Is a $3.857 mil cap hit really considered a 5/6 salary these days?
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Fair point.
Hamonic was paid what he should have been as a four.
If he was a three pushing two it was a good contract. Hard to argue that was the case.
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08-13-2020, 11:43 AM
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#72
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Crash and Bang Winger
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Vancouver
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I predict EatBread is the Flame that the Stars have never heard of who steps up big tonight. Big night from the Backlund line. Which causes the Stars to shift their defensive strategies, leaving the top line more open, leading to a big third game from them. And the cycle continues.
Although I also feel like the Stars will be a much better team tonight. Not to say we can't beat them, but it won't be as "easy" as it was in game 1.
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08-13-2020, 11:44 AM
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#73
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Resident Videologist
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Calgary
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08-13-2020, 11:45 AM
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#74
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Franchise Player
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So far, Dube is the Flames frontrunner for Conn Smythe.
Does he continue to build, or does another homeless person take the lead?
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08-13-2020, 11:46 AM
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#75
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: speculating about AHL players
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CroFlames
So far, Dube is the Flames frontrunner for Conn Smythe.
Does he continue to build, or does another homeless person take the lead?
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Strongly disagree, Lucic is.
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08-13-2020, 11:47 AM
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#76
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by TheScorpion
Strongly disagree, Lucic is.
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I don't think we are counting qualifiers towards Conn Smythe are we?
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08-13-2020, 11:47 AM
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#77
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Franchise Player
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I think Andersson might be.
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08-13-2020, 11:48 AM
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#78
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CroFlames
I don't think we are counting qualifiers towards Conn Smythe are we?
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the points count
everything is weird this year
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08-13-2020, 11:48 AM
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#79
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Draft Pick
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CroFlames
So far, Dube is the Flames frontrunner for Conn Smythe.
Does he continue to build, or does another homeless person take the lead?
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Uh, you surely mean Cam Talbot is the Flames frontrunner for Conn Smythe, right?
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08-13-2020, 11:48 AM
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#80
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheScorpion
Strongly disagree, Lucic is.
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Oh man, would that cap off the Oilers season.
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