2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by Mass_nerder

Probably not.
That's not to suggest that Farabee is a better player, or more valuable at the moment; however, Farabee brings some very important skills that Gaudreau doesn't, and he's only just scratching the surface.
As I already mentioned, teams aren't going to subtract important (young cost-controlled) players for Gaudreau. They'll pay his value in future assets/unproven young players.

I see your argument, but the two players mentioned are kind of in the same boat, as they are both young, cost-controlled, future assets-the only difference is that Farabee has played a few more NHL games. When older players in thier prime are traded, it's often for young prospects and futures. Who's to say the scenario wouldn't exist where Philly offers Frost and a roster player with a pick, and Treliving says swap Frost with Farabee and we have a deal? Either way, Philly gives up a good prospect, albeit different styles/positions?

[Mass_nerder]

Originally Posted by Sandman

I see your argument, but the two players mentioned are kind of in the same boat, as they are both young, cost-controlled, future assets-the only difference is that Farabee has played a few more NHL games. When older players in thier prime are traded, it's often for young prospects and futures. Who's to say the scenario wouldn't exist where Philly offers Frost and a roster player with a pick, and Treliving says swap Frost with Farabee and we have a deal? Either way, Philly gives up a good prospect, albeit different styles/positions?

It seems like Farabee has won a spot, whereas Frost hasn't established himself, which is why it seems like he's a more likely tradable asset. I remember a comment from Vigneault early in the season about Farabee that makes me think Philly isn't willing to let him go.
I obviously can't say what Philly would actually do; I just wouldn't be interested in trading Farabee if I were their GM.

[Vinny01]

Mass Nerder you make it sound like the other teams are the ones with the leverage here and you are wrong. The Flames hold the cards and they are the ones shopping the sub $7M point per game forward who will be 27 next year and signed for 2 seasons when there is plenty of cap uncertainty.

The Flames will set a price and if the Flyers don’t meet it there is a good chance one of the other 30 teams will.

[kurwamac]

Staying with the going theme - do we want Matt Dumba when he's a UFA in 3 years? (I think his family's based in Calgary, he trains here in the summer)

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by kurwamac

Staying with the going theme - do we want Matt Dumba when he's a UFA in 3 years? (I think his family's based in Calgary, he trains here in the summer)

Might just be me, but I can see him going off a cliff because of his style. We'll have to wait and see in 3 years...

[Vinny01]

https://eyesonisles.com/2020/06/18/i...all-rumor/amp/

Islanders blogger probably running with the Eklund rumors. I don’t really see the Islanders being a fit due to their cap situation. They have some decent prospects though with Wahlstom, Dobson and I think Beauvillier would be of interest as well. They do not have a 1st in this coming draft however

If you don’t want to click the link the blog discusses the Hall to Flames rumor and how Gaudreau could be available. This blogger feels the Islanders need to go all in

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

https://eyesonisles.com/2020/06/18/i...all-rumor/amp/

Islanders blogger probably running with the Eklund rumors. I don’t really see the Islanders being a fit due to their cap situation. They have some decent prospects though with Wahlstom, Dobson and I think Beauvillier would be of interest as well. They do not have a 1st in this coming draft however

An interesting read. Between the blogger and the comments, the idea seems to be around Wahlstrom, Mayfield, Teows and 2021 1st. They are really high on Bellows (don't want to trade him but think that he would be the Flames target), which is alright because a project LW is really not a need for the Flames. I would eliminate Teows just because of the lack of need for a LD.

Honestly my ask would be Wahlstrom, the 2021 1st, and the Isle could choose between Dobson or Mayfield+Beauvillier. That's reasonable to all parties, I think.

[Sandman]

I'm not too high on Wahlstrom, but a package involving Dobson would be very tempting. He's a future star, is huge, and can skate. I don't think they would dangle him for Gaudreau.

[Vinny01]

Beauvillier, Dobson, 2021 1st too much to ask?

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Beauvillier, Dobson, 2021 1st too much to ask?

I would think that it would be one or the other. They are really deep on the RD, which is why I think that they were dangling Mayfield (who at 1.45M/3Y is a steal), and to protect Dobson. Dobson is the prize, but Beauvillier and Mayfield together is actually about the same value. That's solid.

Add that to Wahlstrom (down year but lots of talent) and the 2021 1st, and I would do it if I were Treliving.

[HighLifeMan]

Absolutely no interest in Wahlstrom. He’s done nothing but underperform since slipping in the draft.

Anthony Beauvillier is a must as the roster player.
Noah Dobson or Ilya Sororkin are a must as the prospect
Future pick(s) is a must

Otherwise the Islanders can’t compete in trade negotiations.

[FlamesAddiction]

Mayfield seems to check all the boxes. Young, huge, cost controlled, RD with a lot of experience and upside.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Mayfield seems to check all the boxes. Young, huge, cost controlled, RD with a lot of experience and upside.

What upside? He's 27 and hasn't done anything to suggest he's anything more than a 5-6 dman.

I'd prefer Stone actually.

[TheScorpion]

You'd prefer Stone to Mayfield? I would disagree with that 100%.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Mass Nerder you make it sound like the other teams are the ones with the leverage here and you are wrong. The Flames hold the cards and they are the ones shopping the sub $7M point per game forward who will be 27 next year and signed for 2 seasons when there is plenty of cap uncertainty.

The Flames will set a price and if the Flyers don’t meet it there is a good chance one of the other 30 teams will.

I think a Gaudreau deal is going to be similar to the Hamilton deal in that the two teams involved are going to be moving significant assets. It can be argued neither team really has leverage over the other. In that deal the Flames moved a player who was believed to want out (Hamilton), a player one year away from UFA status (Ferland), and a prospect who wasn’t going to sign (Fox). In return they got two former top 5 picks on expiring deals who were controlled, had upside, and fit the age group the Flames prioritized.

I see the same for JG. Wouldn’t surprise me to see JG packaged with another player for 2-3 players/prospects on expiring deals, have upside, and fit the age group the Flames prioritize.

Long way of saying, I think we’re going to see a deal that works for both sides. I don't see the Flames taking back a collection of draft picks or salary dumps to 'even the cap' out.

[Monahammer]

The trade with the Isles has to start with Dobson. None of the other pieces have a chance of being as good as Gaudreau relatively speaking, and so it would be a loss for us. This is another example of a Gilmour or Phaneuf style trade- count me right the #### out of that!

Dobson+1st+Beauvilier or Wahlstrom.

Or the Isles can piss off, we will get a much better offer elsewhere. Frankly I think someone will beat this offer from the Isles too.

[Vinny01]

Pulok is another name I could see the Islanders looking to include in a Johnny deal.

He checks several Treliving boxes for draft day trades. Dman, RFA and he is a 2013 1st round pick to boot.

If Dobson would be a no go from the Islanders a package could include Pulock but that does create expansion problems potentially

[Robo]

Is free agency still July 1st? If so can they play in the best of 5 series?

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Mass Nerder you make it sound like the other teams are the ones with the leverage here and you are wrong. The Flames hold the cards and they are the ones shopping the sub $7M point per game forward who will be 27 next year and signed for 2 seasons when there is plenty of cap uncertainty.

The Flames will set a price and if the Flyers don’t meet it there is a good chance one of the other 30 teams will.

The Flyers were one of the hottest teams in the league before the shutdown. There’s no urgency for them to make a big trade. If the Flames put Gaudreau on the market I’m sure they’ll make a pitch. But if Treliving doesn’t like their offer they’ll just shrug and carry on. Zero pressure on them.

If the Flames feel they can’t re-sign Gaudreau, then Treliving is up against the clock to make a deal.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Mass_nerder

Probably not.
That's not to suggest that Farabee is a better player, or more valuable at the moment; however, Farabee brings some very important skills that Gaudreau doesn't, and he's only just scratching the surface.
As I already mentioned, teams aren't going to subtract important (young cost-controlled) players for Gaudreau. They'll pay his value in future assets/unproven young players.

Ok, we have reached a new level of complete ridiculousness here that makes HF look sane. Johnny Gaudreau who is an elite all star winger is not worth Farabee straight up. Wtf is going on here...