Rate the Flames 2020 Trade Deadline

[flamesfan55]

7. I feel the injuries really hurt the flames at the deadline in terms of selling any assets. You can't just sell and abandon the season. No one would ever want to sign here if they did that. So they were sort of forced to keep Brodie with Hamonic likely done for the year.

[Sylvanfan]

The only thing that you can really rate today is the behavior of the organization around the Deadline. The players may very well work out quite well, but that would go against what the data would suggest results are likely to occur.

I would give the Flames a 0 here as they basically have a bubble team and traded off two picks for rental players. The team has two known UFA defenceman and one who should have had some value that they held on to and will very likely lose. They attached conditions to improve the pick they gave up in the event that they do re-sign Forbort, absolutly needless if you ask me.

Rather than look beyond the next 6 weeks, they chose to keep a short term focus in hopes of being a #8 seed and pray that they fluke out two wins to get 3 home playoff games. Last year they lead the Conference and are too gun shy to go out and do anything to improve the team save trade a pick for a guy who's toiling as a 7th defenceman on another team this year.

I would have preferred that they make the bold moves and join the party even if the downside could have been awful. They acted every bit the confused fan who doesn't know what this team is, and that is a recipe to ensure a mediocre team for eternity.

If the team doesn't win one playoff round this summer they absolutely should fire Trelving rather than make him a desparate dead man walking next year who can really hand grenade the team after getting nothing done in what will be 15 months come June.

[blankall]

Quick question.

When in pro sports has a team in the hunt for a playoff spot ever sold off assets for the sole purpose of throwing in the towel and getting a few extra mediocre draft picks?

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by blankall

Quick question.

When in pro sports has a team in the hunt for a playoff spot ever sold off assets for the sole purpose of throwing in the towel and getting a few extra mediocre draft picks?

Calgary Flames in 2015. But the "throwing in the towel" comment is rather inflammatory. Trading a player isn't throwing in the towel.

Contending teams will trade players for picks, they just don't wait until the deadline. Look at the Lightning this summer. Or look at how we got Dougie Hamilton.

[Wolfman]

It could have been worse...could have gave a 1st for Barclay Goodrow.

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by Wolfman

It could have been worse...could have gave a 1st for Barclay Goodrow.

It's more like a second for Tampa

[Wolfman]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

It's more like a second for Tampa

Supposed to be a deep draft.

[mikephoen]

Originally Posted by blankall

Quick question.

When in pro sports has a team in the hunt for a playoff spot ever sold off assets for the sole purpose of throwing in the towel and getting a few extra mediocre draft picks?

Blues did it with Shattenkirk.

[Monahammer]

Lol love this place: If we try to trade brodie for a first it gets panned as a trade for middling assets. Propose trading our own first and you get lynched for sacrificing the future. Make up your damn minds.

Brodie is not going to be the difference between us making/not making the playoffs- we have seen this over the course of his 9 seasons with us. I understand that ownership are more focused on generating minor amounts of revenue each season than actually making sacrifices to create a winner. I think we could have achieved both here with some ####ing courage.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by New Era

...Treliving knew we needed another scoring forward and failed to get that done. He knew he had some expiring contracts that had some good value and failed to make deals while he could. He then bled assets at bring in more players on expiring contracts which didn’t address a single gaping hole in the system. He went to market with a shopping list that told him we need eggs, milk, and butter, and he brought home canned ham that expires in 60 days, when the pantry already has several cans of expiring canned ham. This was just a big failure all around...

I understand why people are disappointed by the decision to hold on to Brodie. (But I also think that these sorts of deals are FAR more difficult to make than most of us grasp. Brodie has a NTC and fairly specialised family needs, which I suspect would be a factor in mid-season.)

But what I don't get is this: Are we watching the same team? The team lacks size and strength on the blueline (especially now with Hamonic out of the lineup for the foreseeable future), and they struggle to limit chances in their own zone. They have suffered a dearth of scoring from defensemen, and have sorely lacked a good shot from the point on a middling power play. The additions of Frobort and Gustafsson absolutely address those needs, which are arguably more pressing than another forward for this group that is currently scoring four goals a game.

It's one thing to be disappointed. It's entirely another matter to lie about the situation as a means to legitimize that disappointment.

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[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by mikephoen

Blues did it with Shattenkirk.

That trade snagged them Sanford and was half the value they gave up for Schenn and they still made the second round that year, so I guess it does happen where teams in contention trade expiring assets for futures.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

It's more like a second for Tampa

It's a first round pick. A pick in the top-31 of the NHL Entry Draft is not more like a second-round pick than it is a first-round pick. I would agree it is more like a second-round pick than a third, but a first is a first.

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[Tkachukwagon]

For what it’s worth, Craig Custance of the Athletic gave the flames a B - for their trade deadline deals:

https://theathletic.com/1633235/2020...shared-article

Calgary Flames: B-minus

Nothing splashy but, when the dust settles, the third-round pick for Erik Gustafsson could end up looking like one of the best deals of the deadline even if he has his flaws.

“He’s not very good defensively but he’s a hell of an offensive defenseman,” said an NHL scout on Monday. “He sees the ice well. He makes the special pass. I like all those things about him but he (doesn’t defend well).”

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by mikephoen

Blues did it with Shattenkirk.

While icing a full complement of healthy defensemen.

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[blankall]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Lol love this place: If we try to trade brodie for a first it gets panned as a trade for middling assets. Propose trading our own first and you get lynched for sacrificing the future. Make up your damn minds.

Brodie is not going to be the difference between us making/not making the playoffs- we have seen this over the course of his 9 seasons with us. I understand that ownership are more focused on generating minor amounts of revenue each season than actually making sacrifices to create a winner. I think we could have achieved both here with some ####ing courage.

It actually makes logical sense for a bubble team not to trade off either existing contributing players or their first. Also, who says Brodie was bringing back a 1st?

And yes, with the way the Flames injury ridden defence looks, a top 2-3 winger is likely to be a major factor in whether or not they make the playoffs.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

The only thing that you can really rate today is the behavior of the organization around the Deadline. The players may very well work out quite well, but that would go against what the data would suggest results are likely to occur.

I would give the Flames a 0 here as they basically have a bubble team and traded off two picks for rental players. The team has two known UFA defenceman and one who should have had some value that they held on to and will very likely lose. They attached conditions to improve the pick they gave up in the event that they do re-sign Forbort, absolutly needless if you ask me.

Rather than look beyond the next 6 weeks, they chose to keep a short term focus in hopes of being a #8 seed and pray that they fluke out two wins to get 3 home playoff games. Last year they lead the Conference and are too gun shy to go out and do anything to improve the team save trade a pick for a guy who's toiling as a 7th defenceman on another team this year.

I would have preferred that they make the bold moves and join the party even if the downside could have been awful. They acted every bit the confused fan who doesn't know what this team is, and that is a recipe to ensure a mediocre team for eternity.

If the team doesn't win one playoff round this summer they absolutely should fire Trelving rather than make him a desparate dead man walking next year who can really hand grenade the team after getting nothing done in what will be 15 months come June.

What did you want us to do with how terrible the buyers’ market was (unless you wanted to pay a premium)?

The players we got for what we paid was actually amazing. Some people want so many changes, but that is not gonna happen when we are still fighting for a playoff spot.

If we get kicked out of the first round or not make the playoffs at all, you best believe the Flames are going to be making some changes.

[Nelson]

I’m gonna go with a 5. By 5, I mean that I need to wait and see.

How good is Erik Gustafsson offensively and how bad is he defensively, and does his offensive prowess outweigh his defensive shortcomings? How much does he help the PP, or can he even improve it given he contributed to the 31st ranked PP a bad sign?

Is Derek Forbort an actually good defensive defencemen who helps the team quickly move the puck back up the ice, or is he the type of defensive defencemen who plays lots of defence because the other team is always in the offensive zone against him?

[Hatter]

I think rating the day really depends if we re-sign these players to quality deals. If they are good and cheap enough to let Brodie and Hamonic walk while saving some cap space to take a UFA run at a top 6 winger then the team has got what it wanted.

If these trades were made strictly as rentals, it would be a waste of assets. Highly unlikely this team makes it out of the first round if they make the playoffs.

[Robbob]

I think it was a very good TDL based on where the team is. Brodie is probably the most important player currently on the backend so you can't trade him with the current situation.

A lot of bad decisions are made on TDL and July first. Trading extra late picks for depth Dmen when short isn't one of those mistakes.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Lol love this place: If we try to trade brodie for a first it gets panned as a trade for middling assets. Propose trading our own first and you get lynched for sacrificing the future. Make up your damn minds.



Brodie is not going to be the difference between us making/not making the playoffs- we have seen this over the course of his 9 seasons with us. I understand that ownership are more focused on generating minor amounts of revenue each season than actually making sacrifices to create a winner. I think we could have achieved both here with some ####ing courage.

I don't think you give Brodie enough credit. He is the Flames most important defenseman while Giordano is out by a country mile. In 2015 he absolutely was the difference which helped the Flames to make the playoffs.

As for trade g him in-season, I am guessing that it was much more difficult to move him than we realise.

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