[Rumour] Flames have shown interest in Tyson Barrie. Discussed Brodie for Barrie 1 for 1

[dissentowner]

Barrie is not as bad defensively as being let on here. I think it is obvious Brodie doesn't want to return or there would be an extension in place by now. If Tre is certain he can ink Barrie to a decent deal I am good with this, Barrie is a top 2 offensive D man who would do wonders for our PP.

[Bonded]

Don't like that one. Woild rather get futures for Brodie

[N-E-B]

I will barf if they trade Brodie for Barrie 1 for 1. That’s an absolute downgrade. The only logic I can see the Flames having is that they want more offence from the blue line, but the team is already questionable in their own end as it is.

[agulati]

Discussed doesn’t necessarily mean that the Flames want a 1 for 1. It is probably Toronto suggesting it, Flames laughing and putting the phone down (tabled it) I seriously hope that is the case

Barrie + Kapanen for Brodie + something I’m still okay with, depending on what goes out. Though, once again, I hope we keep Brodie and re-sign him

[dammage79]

Who was Barrie paired with from 2015-16 to 2017-18??

Because those 3 years were a +/- black hole that sunk his basic stats. He's a -7 this year which isn't far off of Hammers.

[djsFlames]

Yeah I'd only do it if Kapanen is coming back with him, we can add the necessary piece or pick to make that happen.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by agulati

Discussed doesn’t necessarily mean that the Flames want a 1 for 1. It is probably Toronto suggesting it, Flames laughing and putting the phone down (tabled it) I seriously hope that is the case

Barrie + Kapanen for Brodie + something I’m still okay with. Though, once again, I hope we keep Brodie and re-sign him

I would maybe consider Brodie and jankowski for Barrie and Kapanen. The Leafs showed interest in both players before.

Brodie >> Barrie
Kapanen >> Jankowski

Gives the Leafs a little more size, albeit soft size.

[topfiverecords]

Only benefit to Barrie would be on the PP, where right now teams know we're not going to shoot from that position. Especially when Brodie is out there.

Otherwise this would make no sense. Why help Toronto out for no additional assets? They're the one's desperate for defense even though both guys might go UFA.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I would maybe consider Brodie and jankowski for Barrie and Kapanen. The Leafs showed interest in both players before.

Brodie >> Barrie
Kapanen >> Jankowski

Gives the Leafs a little more size, albeit soft size.

I would love this exact trade to go down.

[GranteedEV]

I don't think Barrie is as bad defensively as some are saying. He's certainly not Hamonic levels of red carpet into our zone.

But he should be an augmentation to a blueline featuring Giordano and Brodie. The perfect #3.

Bringing him in to play Brodie's role, or expecting Andersson to thrive in that role, is too optimistic.

[dammage79]

Yegor Korshkov! The Leafs are so flush with RW they have a legit RW (LHS though) sitting on the farm rarin' to get into the big show.

I was a huge fan of his WJC from 3 years ago I think. Such a beast. Powerful , Fast, Skilled.

EDIT: I want Kapanen in the worst way but the Leafs dont HAVE to explore moving him anymore. Move Brodie if you want but pluck a RW from them in the process.

[Poster]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Barrie's defensive deficiencies vastly outweigh his offensive capabilities. I don't care if he scores 50 points, he bleeds chances worse than Hamonic.

Brodie is a good defensive defenseman who can score 30 points in a typical season. Barrie is a very poor defenceman and I think replacing Brodie with him would cost the Flames their playoff berth.

Barrie is a net negative player. Look at it on a scale from -10 to +10. His offensive abilities are a +5 but his defense is a -7. Brodie's offense is a -2 or -3 but his defense is a +7.

You are severely under rating Barrie offensive prowess. He is the 10th highest scoring dman over the last 5 years.

You are also spouting cliche when you claim he is a -7 on your magic scale.

More like he is +7 on offence and only a +1 on Defense.

That said, this would be a very odd trade 1 for 1 and not something I see happening for lots of reasons on both sides.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I would maybe consider Brodie and jankowski for Barrie and Kapanen. The Leafs showed interest in both players before.

Brodie >> Barrie
Kapanen >> Jankowski

Gives the Leafs a little more size, albeit soft size.

Yup, that's what I'd offer. Overall it's more or less a lateral hockey trade.

Both teams get the players they were seeking.

[Psytic]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Only benefit to Barrie would be on the PP, where right now teams know we're not going to shoot from that position. Especially when Brodie is out there.

Otherwise this would make no sense. Why help Toronto out for no additional assets? They're the one's desperate for defense even though both guys might go UFA.

Smells like Neal for Lucic all over again although its actually turning out not that bad. He has to have said he has no plans of coming back. One thing Tre does is move players that dont want to be here any longer.

[Flash Walken]

I was under the impression Brodie wasn't being traded at all

[TheScorpion]

No Leafs player has allowed more shot attempts this season at 5v5 than Barrie, and it's not even remotely close. And the Leafs aren't exactly what I'd call a good defensive team to begin with.

[bax]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Barrie's defensive deficiencies vastly outweigh his offensive capabilities. I don't care if he scores 50 points, he bleeds chances worse than Hamonic.

Brodie is a good defensive defenseman who can score 30 points in a typical season. Barrie is a very poor defenceman and I think replacing Brodie with him would cost the Flames their playoff berth.

Barrie is a net negative player. Look at it on a scale from -10 to +10. His offensive abilities are a +5 but his defense is a -7. Brodie's offense is a -2 or -3 but his defense is a +7.

I’m not advocating one way or the other, but what is this -10 to +10 scale you are talking about? Is this based off anything or did you just make this up to try and prove your point?

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Don't like that one. Woild rather get futures for Brodie

I'd rather we resigned Brodie.

[Erick Estrada]

Apparently the Flames and Hamonic are far apart in contract discussions and it appears Brodie is not long for the Flames. I could see Treliving looking at this as an opportunity to try the fit and have a heads up in negotiating a long term deal rather than roll the dice on July 1st. Flames do badly need a PP quarterback but IMO this group is leaky as-is and Barrie would make that worse. Still I’m a fan of trying something different rather than losing both Hamonic and Brodie for nothing.

[Jiggy_12]

Colorado retained 50% of Barrie’s cap hit as part of that trade with the Leafs. Could that be factoring in this too, maybe leaving some extra wiggle for another deal or two?