What “save the season” trade would you like?

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by Psytic

Yes they do but the good teams draft more good than bad, win more trades and have some actual success, Can we say the Flames have really hit it out of the park since 2001 with the level of success they have had? Not cherry picking anything the team has had multiple bad 1st round picks and poor trades. The same person has been at the head of it since 2001. Im not going to type out every single one because I dont care enough or have the time to. That's not cherry picking. The info is available online. If everything has been changed with mgmt over the last 20 years but we still have issues with lazy uninspired players through multiple GMs, coaches and generations of players and so many "that's so Flames" moments maybe we look at the one thing that has never been changed.

It seems a bit absurd we can call out multiple GMs as being bad at drafting or selecting disappointing first rounders or pulling off bad signings and trades for multiple players many having compete, and coaching issues but the guy evaluating said players for the Gm's is bullet proof. Some how its Sutter's fault or Feasters fault or Brads fault 100%. Doesnt seem to matter who we bring in the team is medicore, Button evaluates the picks and the NHL trades, the GM gets pinned with it and he escapes for another day. Im not saying every one else isn't to blame for this mess but seems to me he is the one constant in two decades of mediocrity and should be open to criticism just like everyone else.

Part of the issue is that the NHL provides the Flames with 7 draft picks every year and they usually end up drafting fewer than 7 players.

[kyuss275]

Sadly i don't think there is a big trade available durring the season that could turn this ship around. Players are going to have to figure it out themselves. Our 2 best trading chips for help upfront are both hurt. I would have to think teams would be wary of trading for Brodie considering his injury status. Flames also can't fire the coach and have this core go onto their 4th coach in a short time span. IMO if they have to go to a 4th coach for this core , then its not the coaching it's the core.

Maybe they make a small trade now but i doubt the player coming back will ignite the team that much. Flames will probably be sellers at the deadline. Sell off all Fa's if you can . See what the market is for Backs, Monny, Johnny. More than likely flames will have to wait till summer to get full value on Monny or Johnny. They will also have to decide if its a rebuild or a re-tool they are trying to do. If a re-tool, they most certainly have to wait till summer on those 2 . Teams at deadline are not going to want to subtract a key player off their roster just to get another key player.


I hope the players can figure it out themseves , but i got a feeling this is going to be a long season.

[Wolfman]

Originally Posted by shogged

The two trades that treliving attempted in the last year would have made such a big impact. Really a shame they didn’t happen

That's up for debate, no way to know. Neal was supposed to make a big impact.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Wolfman

That's up for debate, no way to know. Neal was supposed to make a big impact.

Agreed. A first round pick for Zucker could easily look pretty bad right now.

[dissentowner]

The move is no move. This team can still make the playoffs but the answer is not a big trade, the answer is found in this group.

[OldSam]

If you keep bailing them out, they aren't going to learn anything. Ride it out, see if they can figure it out. If they still wallow in mediocrity, they weren't what we thought. Don't make a trade to save the season because it probably won't.

[DuffMan]

Johnny Gaudreau - 5'9" - 165 lbs
Brad Marchand - 5'9" - 180 lbs

Johnny just needs to eat more carbs

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

Johnny Gaudreau - 5'9" - 165 lbs
Brad Marchand - 5'9" - 180 lbs

Johnny just needs to eat more carbs

Skittles are all carbs

Needs some protein shakes

[Johnhitbox]

At this point, I’m surprised we haven’t heard anything at all? No changes.


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[Royle9]

Deepest draft in years, trade UFA's for picks.
Blow up the core, its toxic as ####.

The only way a JG trade makes sense is to do it this year, the longer we wait the more leverage we lose as his contract is only "good" for 2 more years.

[soulchoice]

Unless it’s a hockey trade, player for player, I don’t want a major move. Definitely no mortgaging the future for this year. Unless we get rid of some bodies for picks at the deadline. As great as last season was for the Flames in the regular season, I was not a complete believer in this roster or the head coach. I was worried they were a bubble team. Last year there were just too many guys with career years and the team was mostly injury free.

We need to restock some of the prospects, which is why I don’t want to be trading any first or second rounders. I was pleasantly surprised at the flames prior to the ASG. However it was concerning to see how Peters had a lack of ability to adjust, clearly outcoached by Bednar. Not too say the players are not at fault either. It was a collective effort. Peters past quarter and playoff was eerily reminiscent of his inability to get much out of his world hockey championships team in 2018 when they finished 4th.

I just don’t think the Flames are a contender even with improved play. I hope I’m wrong.

[Bingo]

The Flames have a young blueline (Hanifin, Valimaki, Kylington, Andersson), a great core forward that is young in Matthew Tkachuk, and a player I'm really starting to like in Tkachuk (creating more this year), and Lindholm is a solid two way piece that good teams have.

This isn't a rebuild, it's a retool of the core.

I don't think any of Giordano, Monahan or Gaudreau are bad people, and don't care, or are trying to destroy a franchise. But maybe none of them are the type to drag a team out of things or simply not accept losing.

Or I'm wrong and they're warriors and this isn't the problem.

But don't do anything now ... let this season go where it goes and have a look at the trade deadline. If anything this might make the Hamonic/Brodie decisions extremely easy ... they don't have to hang on to them for a playoff run possibly and then watch them walk away.

This team is better than their recent results, and they will rebound. But I still haven't seen any of the steps needed to become a better team from last year's playoff debacle. It honestly seems like the emotional/mental damage inflicted by the Avalanche now has them on life support.

[CN10]

The last trade to save the season (Phaneuf) set the team back. If they are completing a major shakeup, it should be in the off season when they can better shop players to maximize the value coming back. I think Tre gives them until Xmas to see if they can't have a similar type of mid season run as last year, and if they are still struggling moves UFA's and perhaps Jankowski (if he doesn't manage to completely ruin his value) in a bit of a re-tool for next year.

The only save the season move that may be out there would be trying to pry Hall out of NJ now instead of at the deadline, and that would likely cost the team in the long run, unless he regains his MVP form and we can retain him beyond this year.

[Tkachukwagon]

Originally Posted by Bingo

The Flames have a young blueline (Hanifin, Valimaki, Kylington, Andersson), a great core forward that is young in Matthew Tkachuk, and a player I'm really starting to like in Tkachuk (creating more this year), and Lindholm is a solid two way piece that good teams have.

Mentioning Tkachuk twice? You’re definitely on the Tkachukwagon.

[Matt Reeeeead]

I promise you that trading Johnny for Oscar Lindblom will not save the season.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Bingo

The Flames have a young blueline (Hanifin, Valimaki, Kylington, Andersson), a great core forward that is young in Matthew Tkachuk, and a player I'm really starting to like in Tkachuk (creating more this year), and Lindholm is a solid two way piece that good teams have.

This isn't a rebuild, it's a retool of the core.

I don't think any of Giordano, Monahan or Gaudreau are bad people, and don't care, or are trying to destroy a franchise. But maybe none of them are the type to drag a team out of things or simply not accept losing.

Or I'm wrong and they're warriors and this isn't the problem.

But don't do anything now ... let this season go where it goes and have a look at the trade deadline. If anything this might make the Hamonic/Brodie decisions extremely easy ... they don't have to hang on to them for a playoff run possibly and then watch them walk away.

This team is better than their recent results, and they will rebound. But I still haven't seen any of the steps needed to become a better team from last year's playoff debacle. It honestly seems like the emotional/mental damage inflicted by the Avalanche now has them on life support.

I agree with those 5 pieces being the ones to go forward with, but when you need two top two centers, it's not a retool. The patience of Tkachuk to go through a rebuild may be an issue too since he's on a 3 year deal.

[Johnhitbox]

Johnny to new jersey for

Hall
Hughes
Subban
Zajack

Patrick Warburton Aka (David Puddy)

[Jordan!]

The Flames are 2 games under .500

In November.

Calm down, I honestly think you guys were just spoiled by an amazing regular season last year..

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by nik-

I agree with those 5 pieces being the ones to go forward with, but when you need two top two centers, it's not a retool. The patience of Tkachuk to go through a rebuild may be an issue too since he's on a 3 year deal.

No kidding.

If you were going to initiate a rebuild, you needed tkachuk signed for term.

Now if you want to do it properly you probably have to deal him as well.

This is what's happens when there is no real plan.

[JohnnyB]

Maybe trading the Flames for the Caps or the Blues on the roster of teams I cheer for?