How good is Rasmus Andersson?

[Erick Estrada]

Hamonic can be an absolute train wreck at times. I'm hoping the team moves him at the deadline even if they are a playoff team. At this stage I believe Brodie is the superior player and the one they should keep if they want to retain one of the two.

[Buff]

I feel that there should be a tweet to answer this question.

The tweet should be from Boring Sean Monahan:

"I asked Rasmus how he was and he said good, and I said how good, and he said pretty good."

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Hamonic can be an absolute train wreck at times. I'm hoping the team moves him at the deadline even if they are a playoff team. At this stage I believe Brodie is the superior player and the one they should keep if they want to retain one of the two.

My guess is that they don't trade or sign either. The risk of injury and the need for defensive depth in the playoffs are going to be a factor. That said, if Valimaki comes back and takes a spot they might just trade one. The other way a player gets traded is if the Flames crash and burn and will definitely miss playoffs by the time the trade deadline comes around.

I know that asset management makes it seem like trading an expiring contract at the deadline is the way to go, but I am a firm believer that this is a win now team, and I would be happiest if they went into the playoffs full strength. The cap savings ( and hopefully playoff success) will have to be enough of a reward.

[Plett25]

What about this for next year?

Gio-Brodie
Hanifin-Anderson (future top pair)
Valimaki-Kyllington
Stone

Left shot heavy, but doesn't matter for Brodie as he's actually better on the right side

I'd rather we kept our promising young defenceman rather than jettisoning one because we need another right shot

As to the question asked in the thread starter, he's a quality second pairing RD, and will be a top pairing RD in the near future. And he seems to have captain calibre character.

Excellent late 2nd round draft pick.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Plett25

What about this for next year?

Gio-Brodie
Hanifin-Anderson (future top pair)
Valimaki-Kyllington
Stone

Left shot heavy, but doesn't matter for Brodie as he's actually better on the right side

I'd rather we kept our promising young defenceman rather than jettisoning one because we need another right shot

As to the question asked in the thread starter, he's a quality second pairing RD, and will be a top pairing RD in the near future. And he seems to have captain calibre character.

Excellent late 2nd round draft pick.

This is what I want to see / expect as well.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Plett25

What about this for next year?

Gio-Brodie
Hanifin-Anderson (future top pair)
Valimaki-Kyllington
Stone

Left shot heavy, but doesn't matter for Brodie as he's actually better on the right side

I'd rather we kept our promising young defenceman rather than jettisoning one because we need another right shot

As to the question asked in the thread starter, he's a quality second pairing RD, and will be a top pairing RD in the near future. And he seems to have captain calibre character.

Excellent late 2nd round draft pick.

The question will be what to do the closer expansion comes.

[TheIronMaiden]

2020/2021

Hanifin-Anderson
Valimaki-Giordano
Kyllington- Yeleshin
Stone


Yeleshin being a right shot gives him an advantage.
Stone gets a one year league minimum contract is also a right shot.
Giordano is the only guy who has to play on the wrong side.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

2020/2021



Hanifin-Anderson

Valimaki-Giordano

Kyllington- Yeleshin

Stone





Yeleshin being a right shot gives him an advantage.

Stone gets a one year league minimum contract is also a right shot.

Giordano is the only guy who has to play on the wrong side.

I wouldn’t want Gio on his offside. Nor would I want him on the second pairing. There is a good chance he’ll still be our best Dman next season. I also am a proponent of keeping Brodie, I’m guessing we could sign him to ~5 year deal for roughly what he makes now.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by VilleN

I wouldn’t want Gio on his offside. Nor would I want him on the second pairing. There is a good chance he’ll still be our best Dman next season. I also am a proponent of keeping Brodie, I’m guessing we could sign him to ~5 year deal for roughly what he makes now.

At the right cost and term Brodie makes sense, but I don't think that we will get either. This will be Brodie's last contract, he will go where he gets offered the most money.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by VilleN

I wouldn’t want Gio on his offside. Nor would I want him on the second pairing. There is a good chance he’ll still be our best Dman next season. I also am a proponent of keeping Brodie, I’m guessing we could sign him to ~5 year deal for roughly what he makes now.

Agreed - modest raise to $5.5M over 5-6 years. I'd honestly be fine with an extra year or two to get the cap hit down. Brodie's game is going to age very well.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

At the right cost and term Brodie makes sense, but I don't think that we will get either. This will be Brodie's last contract, he will go where he gets offered the most money.

I think the Flames will be in a position to offer him near max what he would get on the open market. Plus he’s been a career Flame so it’s possible he takes a slight haircut for the convenience of not having to uproot his life.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by VilleN

I think the Flames will be in a position to offer him near max what he would get on the open market. Plus he’s been a career Flame so it’s possible he takes a slight haircut for the convenience of not having to uproot his life.

If all he wants is the Gardiner contract then which is 4x4 IIRC then the Flames should be all for it.

That said, there is a good chance he will want the Yandle contract which is 6M x 7. Yandle was 29/30 when he signed that one as well.

[Stanley]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

My guess is that they don't trade or sign either. The risk of injury and the need for defensive depth in the playoffs are going to be a factor. That said, if Valimaki comes back and takes a spot they might just trade one. The other way a player gets traded is if the Flames crash and burn and will definitely miss playoffs by the time the trade deadline comes around.

I know that asset management makes it seem like trading an expiring contract at the deadline is the way to go, but I am a firm believer that this is a win now team, and I would be happiest if they went into the playoffs full strength. The cap savings ( and hopefully playoff success) will have to be enough of a reward.

My thoughts exactly...train wreck or not, he still battles every night and in the playoffs especially we'll need every ounce of battle we can get out of these guys. I don't see Tre trading him unless we're getting a proven replacement for the playoffs.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

If all he wants is the Gardiner contract then which is 4x4 IIRC then the Flames should be all for it.



That said, there is a good chance he will want the Yandle contract which is 6M x 7. Yandle was 29/30 when he signed that one as well.

I don’t know that he has the kind of value league wide that Yandle does. Brodie’s struggles seem to be fairly well known, and my perception is that he’s probably got a similar value to Gardiner, probably a bit higher... I disagree with it, as I think he’s much better, but that’s my perception.

[activeStick]

It'll be interesting to see how Treliving manages the defense as the trade deadline approaches, as well as on July 1.

The Flames have excellent prospects coming up on defense but it's really too bad they're all left shooting guys. If both Brodie and Hamonic are no longer Flames next season, the Flames look very weak on the right side with only Andersson.

Right shooting dmen available July 1 as of today: Pietrangelo, Barrie, Schultz, Bogosian, Vatanen, Tanev and Montour. Montour would be the youngest at 27 and Pietrangelo the oldest at 31.

I guess it'll come down to who Treliving values more - Brodie at whatever dollar value he believes he can get him for or one of the free agents above come July 1.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by VilleN

I don’t know that he has the kind of value league wide that Yandle does. Brodie’s struggles seem to be fairly well known, and my perception is that he’s probably got a similar value to Gardiner, probably a bit higher... I disagree with it, as I think he’s much better, but that’s my perception.

Toronto wanted Brodie badly enough to move Nazim Kadri, and apparently sought to acquire him before landing on their second choice, Tyson Barrie.

I think Brodie still has plenty of value.

[TheScorpion]

Yandle is a much stronger scorer than Brodie has ever been. That surely boosted his value considerably.

That said, Brodie is clearly very important to the Flames and they should have ample space to retain his services. I hope they do -- he seems like a good vet to have around. They're also a bit short on guys who can successfully play the right side.

[SeanCharles]

Its funny to see the fanbase flip flop on Brodie and Hamonic.

Not that long ago most were wanting to keep Hamonic and ship Brodie out at all costs.

Now it seems we want to keep Brodie and ship Hamonic out at all costs.

I personally like both but place their importance to the teams future lower than: Hanifin, Andersoon, Valimaki, Gio and even Kylington.

I'd rather keep all of the above over those two, but that's just me valuing things like cap hit, age and potential over current ability.

I do admit though keeping one of them would balance things out a whole lot better.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by SeanCharles

Its funny to see the fanbase flip flop on Brodie and Hamonic.

Not that long ago most were wanting to keep Hamonic and ship Brodie out at all costs.

Now it seems we want to keep Brodie and ship Hamonic out at all costs.

I personally like both but place their importance to the teams future lower than: Hanifin, Andersoon, Valimaki, Gio and even Kylington.

I'd rather keep all of the above over those two, but that's just me valuing things like cap hit, age and potential over current ability.

I do admit though keeping one of them would balance things out a whole lot better.

My position was that Brodie was more replaceable because of Valimaki, Hanifin and Kylington (in other words they more closely matched his skill set than Hamonic). However, Andersson has played D well enough and is physical enough that I'm changing my mind. He's not only replacing Hamonic in the future, he's better right now. And I like Hamonic and think he's underrated and picked apart on this board.

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

My position was that Brodie was more replaceable because of Valimaki, Hanifin and Kylington (in other words they more closely matched his skill set than Hamonic). However, Andersson has played D well enough and is physical enough that I'm changing my mind. He's not only replacing Hamonic in the future, he's better right now. And I like Hamonic and think he's underrated and picked apart on this board.

Yea I agree as I like Hamonic a lot more than most.

My one issue with keeping Brodie is obviously the plethora of LHS dmen we have. Even though he does play his offside you can't deny the importance of having enough of each handedness in the lineup.

We lack RHS both upfront and on the backend so its tough to pick Brodie over Hamonic, for me anyways. Especially when you consider how Hanifin, Kylington and even Valimaki have similar skating ability to Brodie.