10-09-2019, 11:14 PM
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#61
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Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan
So a bouncing puck that ended up in the back in the net somehow disproves the opinion that OK has had a good start to the season? If that's as bad as it gets for him then I think all you're doing is proving the kid may indeed have a solid season.
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I can’t speak to the first 2 games as I really only paid attention because of that goal. His defensive play was bad for peewee last night.
doughty should have had nothing. Before he even hit the blue line Kylington was in a super wide awkward pivot that left him off balance out of position and already dead. Maybe he was racing off the bench and panicked? That’s the only explanation I can think of for how his feet turn. His team mates are back and he has support to take doughty. Instead he stops almost completely and give Doughty the middle. A forward would have blown right by with the puck. Doughty shoots and skates unopposed to his own rebound. Chaos ensues.
Maybe it was a bad change and his confidence got rattled and then it all went sideways. I don’t know. But that was all kinds of bad, not a bouncing puck IMO.
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10-09-2019, 11:44 PM
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#62
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Join Date: Feb 2010
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Husky
No, im saying besides MT snd JG the flames have basically no players with legit top 6 upside. Nothing exciting.
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Dube, Pelletier, Phillips?
Ruzicka, Zavgorodny, Pospisil, Nikolayev?
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10-10-2019, 07:35 AM
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#63
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
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October 9 Practice - Stone in for Kylington
Quote:
Originally Posted by Husky
No, im saying besides MT snd JG the flames have basically no players with legit top 6 upside. Nothing exciting.
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What are you saying? Do you still consider Gaudreau and Tkachuk as prospects? Do you think they are the Flames’s only quality top six players?
This is so confusing and wrong on a few levels.
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10-10-2019, 07:36 AM
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#64
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Join Date: Feb 2015
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Husky
No, im saying besides MT snd JG the flames have basically no players with legit top 6 upside. Nothing exciting.
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Uh, Monahan? Lindholm? If you're counting Gaudreau and Tkachuk those guys certainly shouldn't be excluded.
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10-10-2019, 09:30 AM
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#65
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Other then a good 1st half last year lindolm has fallen to average. He isnt driving offense. SM sure include hil so 3. None of the Flames propspects are showing or pushing top 6 players out of spots.
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10-10-2019, 09:32 AM
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#66
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is this the 'hot take' thread?
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10-10-2019, 09:40 AM
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#67
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Husky
Other then a good 1st half last year lindolm has fallen to average. He isnt driving offense. SM sure include hil so 3. None of the Flames propspects are showing or pushing top 6 players out of spots.
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Well, except for Mangiapane, who looks like he could grab a second line spot this year. But moreover, I don't see why this matters considering that four of the Flames's top-six forwards are all under 27-years-old, and three of them have yet to turn 25. They don't really need any prospects to push for spots right now that will be occupied for the next three years.
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10-10-2019, 09:49 AM
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#68
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Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Calgary, Alberta
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Quote:
Originally Posted by topfiverecords
Dube, Pelletier, Phillips?
Ruzicka, Zavgorodny, Pospisil, Nikolayev?
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Dillion Dube is 21 years old, and hasn't shown any indication with his time up that's he's going to be a strong top 6 forward.
Why do people believe he's going to be so? His trategoty looks like a middle/bottom six forward to me.
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10-10-2019, 09:52 AM
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#69
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Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Joborule
Dillion Dube is 21 years old, and hasn't shown any indication with his time up that's he's going to be a strong top 6 forward.
Why do people believe he's going to be so? His trategoty looks like a middle/bottom six forward to me.
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a. He was a top scorer in junior.
b. he was a top scorer in the A (at a very young age to boot).
c. In his initial time in the NHL he simply looked snakebit, not out of his depth.
Middle six does overlap with top six anyway. I agree he's probably a second or third liner. But if the former, that's top six.
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10-10-2019, 09:55 AM
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#70
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Joborule
Dillion Dube is 21 years old, and hasn't shown any indication with his time up that's he's going to be a strong top 6 forward.
Why do people believe he's going to be so? His trategoty looks like a middle/bottom six forward to me.
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Because he was stellar in his first full training camp last year, and in his rookie season in Stockton. A +1.00 pts/GP season for a first-time 20-year-old in the AHL is no small feat; while he has started slowly this year, there is a lot of potential with this kid. I don't know anything about his trategoty, but his trajectory is right in line with a burgeoning top-six NHL forward.
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10-10-2019, 10:08 AM
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#71
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Joborule
Dillion Dube is 21 years old, and hasn't shown any indication with his time up that's he's going to be a strong top 6 forward.
Why do people believe he's going to be so? His trategoty looks like a middle/bottom six forward to me.
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Man, people are quick to judge kids and put a ceiling on their trajectory.
There are lots of top 6 players that were not in the NHL at 21. Lots. And Dube's progression has been excellent so far, IMO. To say that he isn't showing enough progression to have a chance at being a top 6 is crazy. In fact, IMO, it has been the exact opposite: I felt, when he was drafted, and when I watched him in junior and at the WJCs, that he was likely a middle-6 guy, and no more - I didn't really see top 6 offensive talent. But in the last year and a half, he has totally changed my mind. Now, I not only think that he has legit 200-ft game, but that he absolutely could become a top 6 guy offensively. Probably not Tkachuk levels of offense, but Backlund levels, and probably higher, are well within reach.
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10-10-2019, 10:48 AM
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#72
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Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Alberta
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Husky
Other then a good 1st half last year lindolm has fallen to average. He isnt driving offense. SM sure include hil so 3. None of the Flames propspects are showing or pushing top 6 players out of spots.
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Did you even watch the first 3 games of the season? Lindholm has been fantastic. A little less noticeable last game but the first two you could argue he was among our best players from start to finish.
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10-10-2019, 11:09 AM
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#73
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In the Sin Bin
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Husky
No, im saying besides MT snd JG the flames have basically no players with legit top 6 upside. Nothing exciting.
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I mean there’s opinions and then there’s stuff that is just actually wrong. Sorry but it’s looking like the latter.
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10-10-2019, 11:19 AM
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#74
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Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Park Hyatt Tokyo
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Joborule
Dillion Dube is 21 years old, and hasn't shown any indication with his time up that's he's going to be a strong top 6 forward.
Why do people believe he's going to be so? His trategoty looks like a middle/bottom six forward to me.
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It's a little early to exclude that possibility. Not to mention our top 6 isn't that exactly solid.
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10-10-2019, 11:32 AM
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Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: I don't belong here
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Husky
No, im saying besides MT snd JG the flames have basically no players with legit top 6 upside. Nothing exciting.
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So... SM and EL are not top 6?
What about MB?
I would argue that AM and DB have the upside, or are you leaving them out because they haven't played a full season in the NHL yet?
And why do we have to refer to players with only their initials?
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10-10-2019, 12:04 PM
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#76
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: stuck in BC watching the nucks
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Husky
No, im saying besides MT snd JG the flames have basically no players with legit top 6 upside. Nothing exciting.
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Uhhm...Lindholm, Monahan and even Backlund has proven that he actually is a top-six player. With the shutdown role he plays and still ranks in the top 60 centers in the league for points. That says top six.
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10-10-2019, 12:15 PM
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#77
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Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Joborule
Dillion Dube is 21 years old, and hasn't shown any indication with his time up that's he's going to be a strong top 6 forward.
Why do people believe he's going to be so? His trategoty looks like a middle/bottom six forward to me.
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His 1.05 PPG were first among all AHL rookies last season, and first among all players aged 21 and under.
That is the indication that he has top 6 potential.
His most common linemates were Mark Jankowski and Garnet Hathaway on the big club, I'm not sure you really expect a guy to produce a lot in that scenario.
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10-10-2019, 12:16 PM
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#78
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Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: The Bay Area
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Husky
Other then a good 1st half last year lindolm has fallen to average. He isnt driving offense. SM sure include hil so 3. None of the Flames propspects are showing or pushing top 6 players out of spots.
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Nice that you begrudgingly include Monahan in the top six.
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10-10-2019, 12:20 PM
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#79
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Quote:
Originally Posted by the2bears
Nice that you begrudgingly include Monahan in the top six.
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4th line center on a contending team
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10-10-2019, 12:25 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: The Bay Area
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Originally Posted by Bonded
4th line center on a contending team
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Not even that, cap hit is too much for the 4th line.
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