its sounds like an uphill battle for the Canes; it's still possible for him to sign with Carolina, but if you are that close to UFA status after completing your degree, it makes sense to look around.
Despite a few high profile cases, if one actually looked at the number of college players reaching UFA status, I'm going to guess that it is pretty low versus the number of kids that do sign.
I actually kind of feel bad for the Canes on this one.
dude, why? This was always an option. Yeah, the Canes are out East and they maybe thought that was enough to convince him, but
a.) they have a ton of depth on the blueline. Slavin, Pesce, Hamilton, Faulk, van Riemsdyk, De Haan, Fleury and Bean ... I mean, that's an extremely tough lineup to break into. Especially as a right-handed defenseman, since they already have 4 in their top 6.
b.) he's one year away from UFA, so why don't just go for that? Especially if your heart is set on one destination (Rangers, I guess).
and c.) it's freaking Harvard! Finishing a degree there must be really tempting when you've already been there for 3 years.
so all things considered, this isn't really all that shocking. Canes knew exactly what kind of risk they'd acquire.
And Gaudreau wasn't signing with the Flames at one point. Contract negotiations, especially ones so early like that, don't mean you lose the player for nothing.
What are you talking about? I don't recall any discussion from either party of any concern about Gaudreau's signing in Calgary. Certainly there was never a message sent from the Flames that they would have any difficulty signing him like what was suggested about Adam Fox. The situations were always quite different.
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It actually kind of surprises me how many choose not to finish their degree from some of the top universities. I know, it's the NHL, but a degree from Harvard? That's pretty valuable as well, and handy to have once you're done playing hockey. Nobody is going to go do their final year when they're 35 and too old for the NHL.
And what if you don't really make the NHL? Giving up a Harvard degree to make $70,000 in the AHL? Seems like there are plenty of good reasons to finish the degree and then become UFA. Really the only risk is getting severely injured in your senior year.
I'm not sure why everyone seems to be gleefully patting Calgary on the back for the "fleecing" when the majority of posters on the board though Treliving should have been fired for the trade.
And it's amazing how quickly Fox's prospect status fell after the trade.
Fox told Calgary he wouldn't sign with them. His statement wasn't, to my knowledge, global.
Just imagine being a kid who decides he wants to finish his Harvard Education after being in school for 15 years and getting hated on for it. Ha.
Despite what the player might "say" in these situations, I'd wager it rarely has anything to do with finishing the degree. And not because I don't actually believe the degree might not be important to these players / kids, or even that the degree isn't valuable. It's that IMO it doesn't make sense not to sign right away IF and that's a big IF, you think it's the best move for your hockey career.
The players that don't sign, don't sign because they believe their best financial / long term career move is to hold out. The players that are convinced they will get their best monetary deal both short and long term if they wait and go UFA. It rarely has anything to do with "finishing" a degree, even as valuable as a Harvard one, because there is nothing stopping these players from returning to Harvard at a later even just a few years later to finish that degree if their hockey career doesn't work out. The value of those contracts some of these kids will sign, is far more valuable than the covered tuition and board they might get from a scholarship, that the math doesn't back up forgoing a year of pro hockey pay to "get your degree", they can pay for it themselves after and still be ahead money wise. It's about maximizing your first NHL pay day, and potentially optimizing your situation (thus maximizing career earnings) by controlling where you play, not about finishing school like they'd have you believe.
For the record, I have no issue with them doing it, although if I were the owners I'd try to carve off this loop hole for college players in an upcoming collective.
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I'm not sure why everyone seems to be gleefully patting Calgary on the back for the "fleecing" when the majority of posters on the board though Treliving should have been fired for the trade.
And it's amazing how quickly Fox's prospect status fell after the trade.
Fox told Calgary he wouldn't sign with them. His statement wasn't, to my knowledge, global.
That's just not true.
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What are you talking about? I don't recall any discussion from either party of any concern about Gaudreau's signing in Calgary. Certainly there was never a message sent from the Flames that they would have any difficulty signing him like what was suggested about Adam Fox. The situations were always quite different.
I'm not comparing Fox and Gaudreau. I'm comparing Gaudreau and the Flames latest contract negotiations (i.e. near holdout) with Lindholm and Hanifin. Lindholm and Hanifin were traded June 23, there was tons of time to get them signed, but the other poster insinuating that they would not be signing with the Hurricanes.
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I'm not comparing Fox and Gaudreau. I'm comparing Gaudreau and the Flames latest contract negotiations (i.e. near holdout) with Lindholm and Hanifin. Lindholm and Hanifin were traded June 23, there was tons of time to get them signed, but the other poster insinuating that they would not be signing with the Hurricanes.
Since when are signings in July and August "near holdouts"? Was there ever any doubt about signing them?
That's the classic example of finding data to back up an opinion (not saying you did so maliciously, but I don't think this data tells us what you think it does). The Harvard part of this story is pretty irrelevant, the school, likely has very little to do with the choice the players are making to leave early or not.
2 since 1995 of a total of 19 players...........has little to do with Harvard players being more inclined to finish their degrees than other players when presented with the option of turning pro early, and more to do with the fact that very few top notch NHL prospects (like Fox) choose Harvard (or can get into Harvard) as their development route the the NHL. Said another way, Harvard historically hasn't attracted or developed top NHL prospects in comparison to other programs or routes, versus the narrative being that top NHL prospects choose to stay at Harvard instead of turning pro early.
That's the classic example of finding data to back up an opinion. The Harvard part of this story is pretty irrelevant, the school, likely has very little to do with the choice the players are making to leave early or not.
2 since 1995 of a total of 19 players...........has little to do with Harvard players being more inclined to finish their degrees than other players when presented with the option of turning pro early, and more to do with the fact that very few top notch NHL prospects (like Fox) choose Harvard (or can get into Harvard) as their development route the the NHL. Said another way, Harvard historically hasn't attracted or developed top NHL prospects in comparison to other programs or routes, versus the narrative being that top NHL prospects choose to stay at Harvard instead of turning pro early.
Hey watch it - that's Neal Sheehy you're talking about.
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