[Rumour] Friedman: Flames to start pushing for Simmonds?

[LWcrowfoot]

Strange to see such a visceral reaction by some at just the thought of trading for him. Obviously the acquisition cost will factor in but why wouldn't this team want to add a big strong physical middle six right winger on pace for over 20 goals and just shy of 40 points.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Without question I believe that Simmonds can help this team and add the grit/physicality element that seems to be missing. I also think he will also add to the depth scoring. Getting him on the team makes Calgary better, IMO.


With that being said, I don't think he is worth all that much. I don't like his speed, and rumour has it that a previous injury has impaired some of his mobility, and thus his production. I don't think he is worth a heck of a lot - the equivalent to a 2nd round pick at most I figure. If the Flames get him for around that value, I wouldn't hate the acquisition. He is not worth overpaying for, but I do think he is worth looking at and bringing on if the price is right.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by LWcrowfoot

Strange to see such a visceral reaction by some at just the thought of trading for him. Obviously the acquisition cost will factor in but why wouldn't this team want to add a big strong physical middle six right winger on pace for over 20 goals and just shy of 40 points.

Why do people keep saying big? He's got league average height and below average weight. He is gritty, obviously.

I'm just not sure he fits the profile of the Flames.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by AC

I disagree. Simmonds would bring a much needed physical edge and toughness to our team, which is something we need to survive a mean playoff series against SJ (E. Kane), VGS (Reaves), or WPG (Byfuglien).

He's been a PP beast too in his career.

Its not just the 3 guys you name either.

SJ and WPG particularly are big heavy teams all over the roster.

Look no further than last nights game for what those types of teams can do to a smaller skilled team like Calgary.

Hell we could use two or three guys like Simmonds.

Simmonds AND Hayes would be just fantastic.

[Dajazz]

Originally Posted by LWcrowfoot

Strange to see such a visceral reaction by some at just the thought of trading for him. Obviously the acquisition cost will factor in but why wouldn't this team want to add a big strong physical middle six right winger on pace for over 20 goals and just shy of 40 points.

Because he is Troy Brouwer 2.0.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Its not just the 3 guys you name either.

SJ and WPG particularly are big heavy teams all over the roster.

Look no further than last nights game for what those types of teams can do to a smaller skilled team like Calgary.

Hell we could use two or three guys like Simmonds.

Simmonds AND Hayes would be just fantastic.

For the price we’d need to pay to get Simmonds AND Hayes, you might as well just pony up for Stone. By far the best player

[Kybb79]

Originally Posted by Dajazz

Because he is Troy Brouwer 2.0.

Terrible comparison.

[killer_carlson]

Troy Brouwer was a complete non-factor when the going got tough in games. He was brought in to be the physical response and instead disappeared.

Simmonds is the opposite. And for those saying he's lost a step, he'll end the season close to 20 goals.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

For the price we’d need to pay to get Simmonds AND Hayes, you might as well just pony up for Stone. By far the best player

Agreed “the best or nothing”

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Dajazz

Because he is Troy Brouwer 2.0.

LOL...no.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Wayne Simmonds and Alex Lyon for Oliver Kylington, John Gillies and a 2nd rounder.

[Dajazz]

Originally Posted by transplant99

LOL...no.

Poor even strength production, poor possession stats and shot metrics, slow and wrong size of 30 with a recent injury to boot. Brought in for “character” and “grit”.

I think he’s Troy Brouwer.

He gets ample PP time in PHI. Here he’s on the 2nd unit. Without Giroux, Voracek etc banking shots of him he’s a 10-15g scorer. So again, I think he’s Troy Brouwer.

[Johnhitbox]

Originally Posted by Dajazz

Poor even strength production, poor possession stats and shot metrics, slow and wrong size of 30 with a recent injury to boot. Brought in for “character” and “grit”.



I think he’s Troy Brouwer.

Agreed


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[Matty81]

Originally Posted by Dajazz

Poor even strength production, poor possession stats and shot metrics, slow and wrong size of 30 with a recent injury to boot. Brought in for “character” and “grit”.

I think he’s Troy Brouwer.

He gets ample PP time in PHI. Here he’s on the 2nd unit. Without Giroux, Voracek etc banking shots of him he’s a 10-15g scorer. So again, I think he’s Troy Brouwer.

I dunno if there are other stats you are looking at but the possession stats on hockey reference for him are ridiculously good. His Corsi and Fenwick are both 57 and his pdo is well below 100. If you're not a fan of advanced stats those indicate that the team generates a lot more shots than they give up when he is on the ice and the pdo says he has probably been a bit unlucky if anything this year. Granted yes he is getting way more offensive zone starts than d zone starts but I think a player like that might be a good fit with a d first centre like backlund.

Not saying there's no risk but it's not a brouwer situation because he walks in the summer, no financial obligation, if the acquisition cost is low I don't see a lot to lose.

[djsFlames]

I'll offer a 3rd. Don't like it? Cya.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

I'll offer a 3rd. Don't like it? Cya.

He’s worth the Zuccarello return but no more.

[slcrocket]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

He’s worth the Zuccarello return but no more.

I disagree; I also think I could stand to offer a 2nd or 3rd but nothing more. He'll be a bottom 6 winger most likely hoping to get paid way more than I'd want him paid next year. For a bottom 6 rental that primarily adds physicality (I'm aware that he has offensive ability, but we'd be bringing him in for his edge), I think that price is more than enough.

And I like Simmonds, FWIW.

[Dajazz]

Originally Posted by Matty81

I dunno if there are other stats you are looking at but the possession stats on hockey reference for him are ridiculously good. His Corsi and Fenwick are both 57 and his pdo is well below 100. If you're not a fan of advanced stats those indicate that the team generates a lot more shots than they give up when he is on the ice and the pdo says he has probably been a bit unlucky if anything this year. Granted yes he is getting way more offensive zone starts than d zone starts but I think a player like that might be a good fit with a d first centre like backlund.

Not saying there's no risk but it's not a brouwer situation because he walks in the summer, no financial obligation, if the acquisition cost is low I don't see a lot to lose.

You must be looking at the wrong stats or I haven’t had my morning coffee.

He’s negative in pretty much every single category, while his PDO is a little low this year yes. He is what he is, and I think he’s overrated and will cost too much. 30-40% of his points come on the PP and he’s not getting that opportunity here.

https://www.hockey-reference.com/pla...simmowa01.html

[1qqaaz]

These guys are hardly comparable.

Zuccarello: 37 points in 46 games: 0.80 ppg
Simmonds: 27 points in 62 games: 0.44 ppg

Simmonds could be the best physical player on earth. But he's way worse than Zuccarello, and I wouldn't pay more than a 3rd for him. I definitely wouldn't even think about extending him.

[SmoggyFlamesFan]

If you're adding him for depth with salary retained, I don't mind it. If the acquisition cost is not too high and we give up a third rounder, that's about all I would consider giving up for an aging Wayne Simmonds with not alot left in the tank. Otherwise, I just don't see the need to go after him. If Neal begins to produce, you just got that same acquisition at no cost.